To all you who DL anime and manga for free

[Fumouffu]

To: MMM,
That's not what I was trying to say.. I mean.. there are people who can't get monga at all. >~<; And it's not fair for them. I care about the companies A LOT and I buy my manga as well. I've never read manga online unless it was fan-manga or webcomics. What I'm saying is there are people who can't get anything at all. DX And I think we should try and care for those people too. I don't think you should classify as "real" fans either.. I think that's being a little bit mean.. I mean they literally can't get ANYTHING. Things don't ship to them, they don't have book stores, there aren't in conventions or anything related to anime near them. Being in America we are opened to a lot more things but there are some poor people who are very very limited and it's really sad! I was just saying maybe there is a way to help BOTH.. listen.. BOTH.. meaning TWO... the company >AAAAND< (keyword) the readers who CAN'T get anything~ Of course there's no excuse for people who can willingly buy their manga and such but there are people who can't and I think they should be cared for too. Not only that A LOT of people don't even know about the companies being turned down. I didn't know until I read this thread! So you can't call people, not "real" fans because they read online manga.. especially if they even didn't know~! And namecalling isn't fun, either.. I'm pretty sure I can see and that I'm not blind... thank you. DX; I understand your concern for the companies and I've been supporting that since my first post which it seems like you guys keep missing... All I said was let's at least think about those people who can't read anything.. it hurts SOO much when all it seems like you guys are focusing on the companies more.. And I'm thinking you guys do that because the companies give you guys your manga and the readers are taking that away. I think what's more important is trying to keep the companies up and going not because of our manga but because of them AND.. (the word and again) to help people who can't view mangas either! I'm sure there are many other people who are more than willing to donate to companies too~! I mean, if more people knew about this then they could help but don't insult them but calling them "fake" fans.. >~<; That's just a little rude... DX It's not like I was putting your comments down, I was really happy to see someone who cares for other people and trying to save them but it's just impossible... you have the WHOLE world to go through. But like I said, It hink what you can do is get people who has the money and convince them to buy their things and not hate other people for buying manga! Seriously! Try and help other people too!! The companies aren't the only people out there that needs help!! It's like if we put you in isolation where manga and anime has no existance! It would suck if you really like it because you honestly just CANNOT get it. Not every place has libraries.. not every place has shipping. I mean, we are honeslty really really like because here in America we have libraries, and a BUNCH of online stores who are more than willing to ship out their anime and manga, but not everyone has that. So please think about them too!! And they're not leechers... >~<; They just can't get it anyhwhere... I feel really really bad for those people! Do you get it? ]: I'm not saying that the companies are bad or anything at all but I'm not saying the readers are either. I'm just asking to try and care about both the companies and the readers or the "not-real" fans, too! I think everyone is very important to think about and not just one side..

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

To: MMM,
That's not what I was trying to say.. I mean.. there are people who can't get monga at all. >~<; And it's not fair for them.

You talk like being able to read manga is a right, and not a priviledge.

That's like saying some people can't afford to go to the movies, so they should have the right to sneak in and not pay.

It doesn't work like that.

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

I care about the companies A LOT and I buy my manga as well. I've never read manga online unless it was fan-manga or webcomics. What I'm saying is there are people who can't get anything at all. DX And I think we should try and care for those people too.

As I said, if people are real fans, then they will find a way. There have been many posts here describing legal and inexpensive ways to get manga: libraries, clubs, inexpensive websites, used bookstores, etc.

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

I don't think you should classify as "real" fans either.. I think that's being a little bit mean.. I mean they literally can't get ANYTHING. Things don't ship to them, they don't have book stores, there aren't in conventions or anything related to anime near them.

If these people have Internet, then they have computers. If they have computers they an address. Where are these people living that they don't have mailmen, libraries and bookstores?

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

Being in America we are opened to a lot more things but there are some poor people who are very very limited and it's really sad! I was just saying maybe there is a way to help BOTH.. listen.. BOTH.. meaning TWO... the company >AAAAND< (keyword) the readers who CAN'T get anything~ Of course there's no excuse for people who can willingly buy their manga and such but there are people who can't and I think they should be cared for too.

The publishers do to a lot to help those that can't afford manga. They donate titles to libraries, for one.

Manga is a luxury item. It isn't like water or milk. As much as people like to say so, manga is not a fundamental necessity for life. As much as I feel for people that can't afford to buy manga, I am more worried they have enough food and heat in the winter than I am worried about if they can read manga. Of course I want everyone who wants to read manga to be able to, but being poor isn't an excuse to steal.

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

Not only that A LOT of people don't even know about the companies being turned down. I didn't know until I read this thread! So you can't call people, not "real" fans because they read online manga.. especially if they even didn't know~!

I understand that. That's why I started the thread.

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

And namecalling isn't fun, either.. I'm pretty sure I can see and that I'm not blind... thank you. DX; I understand your concern for the companies and I've been supporting that since my first post which it seems like you guys keep missing... All I said was let's at least think about those people who can't read anything.. it hurts SOO much when all it seems like you guys are focusing on the companies more.. And I'm thinking you guys do that because the companies give you guys your manga and the readers are taking that away. I think what's more important is trying to keep the companies up and going not because of our manga but because of them AND.. (the word and again) to help people who can't view mangas either! I'm sure there are many other people who are more than willing to donate to companies too~! I mean, if more people knew about this then they could help but don't insult them but calling them "fake" fans.. >~<; That's just a little rude... DX It's not like I was putting your comments down, I was really happy to see someone who cares for other people and trying to save them but it's just impossible...

You are pretty much repeating yourself, and I think I have already addressed this. You make the implication that all the people that steal manga online are poor. I know for a fact that isn't true, so don't act like they are all charity cases. Most of the people that steal manga onlines have the means to access manga other ways, and don't do it.

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

you have the WHOLE world to go through. But like I said, It hink what you can do is get people who has the money and convince them to buy their things and not hate other people for buying manga! Seriously! Try and help other people too!! The companies aren't the only people out there that needs help!! It's like if we put you in isolation where manga and anime has no existance! It would suck if you really like it because you honestly just CANNOT get it. Not every place has libraries.. not every place has shipping.

If people live in place with no libraries and no bookstores and no postal service, then I forgive them for stealing their manga online.

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

I mean, we are honeslty really really like because here in America we have libraries, and a BUNCH of online stores who are more than willing to ship out their anime and manga, but not everyone has that. So please think about them too!!

Are you speaking about people you actually know, or just in theory?

Originally Posted by Fumouffu

And they're not leechers... >~<; They just can't get it anyhwhere... I feel really really bad for those people! Do you get it? ]: I'm not saying that the companies are bad or anything at all but I'm not saying the readers are either. I'm just asking to try and care about both the companies and the readers or the "not-real" fans, too! I think everyone is very important to think about and not just one side..

I think you are making a good argument for a situation that barely if actually exists.

Like I said, most of the people who steal manga online have the means to get it legitimately. There may be a population of fans somewhere that have no postal system and libraries, and I would cut them some slack. Everyone else should shape up.

[CardKaptor]

Originally Posted by persiandragon

discountanimedvd.com

That site is riddled with bootlegs, which is the same as downloading on the internet. The creators of the intellectual property never see a dime. Some of the DVDs on there seem legal, but anything that is Regionless is almost certainly a bootleg DVD.

I read as much of this thread as I could, and I will just say that even if a show or manga is not licensed, downloading it is illegal and stealing from the original creator.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by CardKaptor

I read as much of this thread as I could, and I will just say that even if a show or manga is not licensed, downloading it is illegal and stealing from the original creator.

But how else will you be able to read it, if it doesn't have a translation or release in your own country? Seriously, the unlicensed stuff I've read online, I would so buy it without thinking twice about it if it had an official release in my home country in my own language. It'd kind of be a waste to buy it for any other reason if they can't be read, unless collecting them. I'd buy originals, if I was already fluent in the language, which I'm not. I'm too much of a beginner for that. I still hold out and hope that the titles I'm interested in will someday get an official license. I find it disturbing that Gokusen still doesn't have one.

Edit: As for downloading anime that is unlicensed, what if it's a show that's currently airing and you download and watch it as Japan does. Is that still considered bad to do if you're keeping up with them? Wouldn't it be the same as watching through sattelite or something? This just popped into mind for me.

[ladyviollet]

Knew it was coming! Oh the guilt, oh the woe :O
-unbookmarks onemanga- ;_;

[MMM]

Another nail in the coffin

PiQ magazine, which was published to replace NewtypeUSA is going out of business after four issues. It's parent company is the struggling ADV, the largest releasor of anime in the US

The last issue • PiQ Magazine

[AamX391]

I had no idea Piq was the replacement of Newtype USA, i do have to say that they did try to read too broad of an audience with Piq, it did not have enough anime/manga news and info for me too pick up any issues

i am going to jump in with my reaction to your initial post, even tho i have not read all the responses.

I do agree that reading liscenced manga and watching liscenced anime for free is bad, but i dont think that is the entire reason Tokyopop had to make cuts, I think Tokyopop made bad executive descicions, they did not get their hands on good liscences and names, instead they turned their backs to japan, and most of their focus went into manwa from Korea, and american indie artists, while some of these liscences arent that bad, most people who buy manga would choose a graphic novel that came from Japan, rather than something that came from Korea
I dont have anything against Korea, but I would rather have Japanese titles to read, than Korean titles

[MMM]

Originally Posted by AamX391

I had no idea Piq was the replacement of Newtype USA, i do have to say that they did try to read too broad of an audience with Piq, it did not have enough anime/manga news and info for me too pick up any issues

i am going to jump in with my reaction to your initial post, even tho i have not read all the responses.

I do agree that reading liscenced manga and watching liscenced anime for free is bad, but i dont think that is the entire reason Tokyopop had to make cuts, I think Tokyopop made bad executive descicions, they did not get their hands on good liscences and names, instead they turned their backs to japan, and most of their focus went into manwa from Korea, and american indie artists, while some of these liscences arent that bad, most people who buy manga would choose a graphic novel that came from Japan, rather than something that came from Korea
I dont have anything against Korea, but I would rather have Japanese titles to read, than Korean titles

I know that is a lot of what's going on with Tokyopop, but used that as a jumping board to remind people that this was a fragile business we all claim to love, and we have to show support in the most appropriate way, and that is getting titles legitimately.

[xsakurahanax]

I read the new releases online, however, when they finally got them printed in english in book format. I buy them, always. Because, I acutally like a hard copy of it, rather than online.

[AamX391]

I like having hard copies as well, mostly cuz i am a collector, and have almost 400 manga graphic novels