BRANCH: Anime/Manga piracy discussion

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by noodle

EDIT: MissMisa, I can't be bothered to reply to your rant up there, but are you really gonna stand there and say the Anime industry is TEENY?????????!?!?!?!!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? What world are you in?

The world where stuffed Domokuns and Pocky outsell anime by billions.

"The anime-related market in North America was reportedly at its largest in 2003, when it stood at US$4.84 billion. The 2007 figure was over 40% smaller. Of that US$2.829 billion in 2007, character goods made up US$2.512 billion, while DVDs accounted for US$316 million. By contrast, the character goods market increased from 2006's US$2.41 billion to 2007's US$2.512 billion. The market for packaged videos and DVDs peaked in 2002, when it rose to US$415 million"

[noodle]

Oh my good lord! Do you people think the Anime/Manga industry is based in the US or something? I don't really care about the US. It's been in a recession for years, so if I didn't see a decline in sales of a bunch of Anime PUBLISHERS, I'd think the data was fake! Get over yourselves, the Anime Publishers of the US aren't what decides how healthy the Anime Industry is!

EDIT: Even though what you've posted is irrelevant, perhaps you should come back to the future for your next sources! We're no longer in 2007

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by noodle

Oh my good lord! Do you people think the Anime/Manga industry is based in the US or something? I don't really care about the US. It's been in a recession for years, so if I didn't see a decline in sales of a bunch of Anime PUBLISHERS, I'd think the data was fake! Get over yourselves, the Anime Publishers of the US aren't what decides how healthy the Anime Industry is!

EDIT: Even though what you've posted is irrelevant, perhaps you should come back to the future for your next sources! We're no longer in 2007

The US has about 5 percent of the world's population, yet we gereate between 20 and 30 percent of the world's economic output (source: The Post American World). Stop dismissing us just because you're irrelevant.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

The US has about 5 percent of the world's population, yet we gereate between 20 and 30 percent of the world's economic output (source: The Post American World). Stop dismissing us just because you're irrelevant.

WOW, I didn't know the US was a super power When did that happen? Care to explain how that changes the fact that Anime Publisher sales in the US isn't what decides how healthy the Anime Industry is?

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by noodle

EDIT: Even though what you've posted is irrelevant, perhaps you should come back to the future for your next sources! We're no longer in 2007

The data is relevant; it sure wouldn't have gotten any better from 2007 til now, because it's "pre-recession". If you can't agree with that logic, than you're just a fool.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

The data is relevant; it sure wouldn't have gotten any better from 2007 til now, because it's "pre-recession". If you can't agree with that logic, than you're just a fool.

Now now, no need for the name calling!

It's irrelevant because once again, it's about the US of A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you realise that the Anime industry would survive even if Japan didn't get a cent from the US, then come back to me

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by noodle

Now now, no need for the name calling!

It's irrelevant because once again, it's about the US of A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you realise that the Anime industry would survive even if Japan didn't get a cent from the US, then come back to me

"You realize that in the last two weeks Go! Comi and CMX have gone out of business and that Viz has cut 40% of its staff. Jokes about stealing content online are not appreciated by me." - MMM

All three companies in question are from the US.

When you realize that this thread is about the decline of the Anime market in The US of A!!!!!!!, then come back to me

[noodle]

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

When you realize that this thread is about the decline of the Anime market in The US of A!!!!!!!, then come back to me

Haha, dude, you're embarrassing yourself and your fellow compatriots!

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery

The general price for anime and the time it takes to produce it for a western audience murders the market itself.

So the west = USA? Thanks for the memo, I'll go let everyone in Europe know

[WingsToDiscovery]

Originally Posted by noodle

Haha, dude, you're embarrassing yourself and your fellow compatriots!



So the west = USA? Thanks for the memo, I'll go let everyone in Europe know

The west =/= USA, but the three companies mentioned at the start of the thread do

I've never met someone with such selective reading skills! lol

[WingsToDiscovery]

Phew, I don't know what it is, but the only imperical data I can find is between North America, Japan, and China.

I was able to find a couple of things so people can consider this topic more "global."

"Unlike in the U.S., "anime" and "manga" in Japan are central to popular culture and everyday life. Here is a report on this market that is expected to soon amount to Y10 trillion -- a whopping US$100 billion."

Unfortunately thisd data is from before the recession, but at the time of writing, the US market was projected to grow to twice the size of that of Europe here:

"Japanese anime is expected to grow along with the spread of new media. If the size of the Japanese market is set to "100", then the size of the U.S., European, and Asian markets are estimated to grow to "200", "100", and "50", respectively."

Again, unfortunately, things still look bad for the entire worldwide market, citing from just last year:

"In Iwata’s view, there is no room for growth since Japanese animation has reached the saturation point in the global marketplace. Due to the worldwide recession and illegal net distribution, Iwata concluded that the North American marketplace is battered, the European marketplace is in grave condition, and the Japanese companies cannot rely on the Middle East, Asia, and other regions as potential new marketplaces. He added, “as it stands, we may have to go back to the way it was in the past — back to selling Japanese animation only to the Japanese marketplace.” In order to survive in the current adverse climate, TV Tokyo is proceeding with new initiatives that include animation on American video-distribution sites. "

In order to help fix this global decline, TV Tokyo turns to American websites, with the leading western market, to help aleviate some of the losses being incurred.