One Manga is closing down

[vithvicious]

Under that approach we might as well stop drinking water too, since all our tap water systems are very efficient at running small amounts of chlorine......we could all die.....welcome to 2010....

[MMM]

Originally Posted by KylieHJensen

Uniting and taking OM down is similar to Music Industry took down Napster. It comes down to dollar and cents. We are talking about being reluctant to allow piracy on the internet. It has nothing to do with knowing manga publishing or not, rather about money being lost from not buying manga and reading it for free.

You seem to think manga creators and publishers are fat cats and trust me, that is far from the case. It took the competition uniting to attack the illegal pirates. Yes, it is about money. Money=survival. Why should One Manga profit off something that doesn't belong to them.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Haha. No, since you're unusually strange for a mod.

And did you know that open source lawyers have been challenging some of the copyright laws indirectly for years? Especially in the States? Especially the SCO Group lawsuits? Open source isn't much about alternative as to bring balance between proprietary and open (i.e. downloading for free) worlds.

You choose your words carefully, but that doesn't mask that fact that taking something from someone and giving it away for profit doesn't need "balance". It is wrong. It is illegal. Black and white. No grey.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Otherwise. You want to stop internet piracy for good? Then shut down the internet since the internet is too efficient to share and copy contents. Welcome to the internet, everyone.

That's silly. That's like shutting down interstate highways to stop drug trafficking. A little drastic. There is nothing wrong with fighting against illegal activity on the Internet.

[siokan]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Haha. No, since you're unusually strange for a mod.

And did you know that open source lawyers have been challenging some of the copyright laws indirectly for years? Especially in the States? Especially the SCO Group lawsuits? Open source isn't much about alternative as to bring balance between proprietary and open (i.e. downloading for free) worlds.

There is the mouse which let Japan strengthen a copyright by force in California.
considering whether the Japanese Diet accepts the second threat now.

[KylieHJensen]

Originally Posted by MMM

You seem to think manga creators and publishers are fat cats and trust me, that is far from the case. It took the competition uniting to attack the illegal pirates. Yes, it is about money. Money=survival. Why should One Manga profit off something that doesn't belong to them.

I am not arguing what OM is doing was right. I think it is safe to say the general public who reads OM is sad to see it go. The same goes for when Napster went away almost a decade ago.

OM was a great source where one can read the comic for free. It was fun while it lasted and sad to see it gone entirely away. I never argued it was O.K. for OM to continue. I was just refering that many of us really loved OM and could have enjoy it more if it stayed online.

Like most things in life, if it has to do with money, people will do whatever it takes to bring you down and one of the best way to do it legally is by suing. Perhaps manga creators and publishers lack the fund to continue or wants to benefit more by taking down OM. But you cannot deny the fact, there are many other scenario out there that can easily be argued.

I was basically pointing out where do you set the line? Today, as it seems, the longer human survive, the more laws being created. If we do not bomb ourselves, in the distant future, say year 7010, I bet what we are doing here will be illegal

[MMM]

Originally Posted by KylieHJensen

I am not arguing what OM is doing was right. I think it is safe to say the general public who reads OM is sad to see it go. The same goes for when Napster went away almost a decade ago.

OM was a great source where one can read the comic for free. It was fun while it lasted and sad to see it gone entirely away. I never argued it was O.K. for OM to continue. I was just refering that many of us really loved OM and could have enjoy it more if it stayed online.

Like most things in life, if it has to do with money, people will do whatever it takes to bring you down and one of the best way to do it legally is by suing. Perhaps manga creators and publishers lack the fund to continue or wants to benefit more by taking down OM. But you cannot deny the fact, there are many other scenario out there that can easily be argued.

I was basically pointing out where do you set the line? Today, as it seems, the longer human survive, the more laws being created. If we do not bomb ourselves, in the distant future, say year 7010, I bet what we are doing here will be illegal

The "slippery slope" argument doesn't work here. What OM was doing was CLEARLY illegal in every sense of the word. Just because it was popular doesn't make it legal. No new laws were enacted to take OM down. It just took as long as it did to do it.

But you cannot deny the fact, there are many other scenario out there that can easily be argued.

I do not know what you mean here.

[Akihiko]

What I said when I read this whole topic.

[siokan]

*comicartist&publishingcompany dies.
*criminal gives it up.

chicken race now

For these past several years, the publishing company is a deficit of several billions of yen.
Life and the income that most of comic artists are the same level as a slave.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Columbine

It's different in that case though due to the law.

It's still the same with today's analogy of free distribution in the internet. The copyright laws that was originally dealing with printing have to deal with digital distribution today. That's the problem.

Originally Posted by MMM

You choose your words carefully, but that doesn't mask that fact that taking something from someone and giving it away for profit doesn't need "balance". It is wrong. It is illegal. Black and white. No grey.

If that's the case, then what do you think of the Pirate Parties being legal in Europe, Canada and the USA? They are promoting an activity of criticizing the whole nature of copyright in the digital environment? Copyright issue itself is gray.

Originally Posted by MMM

That's silly. That's like shutting down interstate highways to stop drug trafficking. A little drastic. There is nothing wrong with fighting against illegal activity on the Internet.

Read all of your posts carefully for few years on copyright. You seem to secretly love this concept. But that's just my guess.

Here are two options:

1. You keep complaining about online manga, games or movie piracy (which is still growing thanks to many forms of encryption) until you die.
2. You promote a middle way to satisfy both sides.

Actually, I'm in favor of reforming the copyright laws since they're early 20th century relics. And manga artists should have donation boxes embedded in their website or blogs.

[eghbalmohammad]

Originally Posted by Moot

I think tomorrow is the last day of onemanga so RIP to the best manga site (well for me) on the net. Ive been using it since 2006-7ish and Ill definitely miss it.

been a forum member since 08 too

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[ponadok]

the pirate parties are a gray area. theres 1 in sweden and even they arent safe anymore they are everyday under fire from news and many other political parties i doubt they will last long. but MMM is correct in the end piracy kills everything look at pc gaming now? slowly dieing because developers will not put out games for the pc due to lack of anti piracy measures. in the end everyone will lose out not just the people who pay.