One Manga is closing down

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by ponadok

the pirate parties are a gray area. theres 1 in sweden and even they arent safe anymore they are everyday under fire from news and many other political parties i doubt they will last long. but MMM is correct in the end piracy kills everything look at pc gaming now? slowly dieing because developers will not put out games for the pc due to lack of anti piracy measures. in the end everyone will lose out not just the people who pay.

I don't particularly agree with the Pirate Party except for showing my point that there are problems with the copyright laws. Console gaming also has piracy issues with bypassing DRMs.

You want to solve problems? Then reform the copyright laws or encourage donations who downloaded for free.

Even after Napster died, there has been more illegal music downloads. Even after OneManga died, there would be more illegal manga downloads. Complaining wouldn't solve the problems.

[noodle]

Anime and Manga doesn't really concern me that much since I think I've read 3 or 4 chapters of Manga in my life.

But I just wanted to ask... Is borrowing a book from the library, reading it, and giving it back for free a crime or piracy? Some of you might say that libraries don't make money like OneManga, but to that I respond; If OneManga stopped making profit from advertisement and simply uploaded Manga so that it's available like a book is available at the library, would you guys still consider it piracy?

[siokan]

The online comics are not profitable at all.
Online comics were made business by various technique, but fail all.

[ponadok]

Originally Posted by noodle

Anime and Manga doesn't really concern me that much since I think I've read 3 or 4 chapters of Manga in my life.

But I just wanted to ask... Is borrowing a book from the library, reading it, and giving it back for free a crime or piracy? Some of you might say that libraries don't make money like OneManga, but to that I respond; If OneManga stopped making profit from advertisement and simply uploaded Manga so that it's available like a book is available at the library, would you guys still consider it piracy?

libraries have to have a licence and i belive they pay the authors everytime their book is taken out of the library or so i have heard but no onemanga not making money would still be illegal not just onemanga now though all the other manga uploading sites have folded and or are folding with one of them actually being sued in the court of florida.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by ponadok

libraries have to have a licence and i belive they pay the authors everytime their book is taken out of the library or so i have heard but no onemanga not making money would still be illegal not just onemanga now though all the other manga uploading sites have folded and or are folding with one of them actually being sued in the court of florida.

I'm not sure if they pay royalties, but let's say they do... a library near where I live has Manga. I can go there to read Manga, then leave... There is no way the library would have to pay anything extra after having the book available for its customers.

EDIT; I don't study law, and I'm not too sure about this, but as far as I know, you only have to pay royalties if you make profit/income. Blockbusters for example definitely has to pay royalties as people rent, but if a friend loans me his movies, he would not have to pay royalties... put simply, of course, I'm sure it's a lot more complex than this.

[ponadok]

i was correct quote from wikipedia

Public libraries in some countries pay authors when their books are borrowed from libraries. These are known as Public Lending Right programs.

end of the day they have legal permission to do so which is what makes them legally allowed to do that now if onemanga went about things the legal way with thecopyright holders itd be very sucessful but sadly it will not happen.

[Akihiko]

Originally Posted by Moot

I think tomorrow is the last day of onemanga so RIP to the best manga site (well for me) on the net. Ive been using it since 2006-7ish and Ill definitely miss it.

been a forum member since 08 too

Why name yourself 'moot'.


For the love of 神さま, I sense the dark side of the internet.


But yeah. I used to go there for my manga needs. Then again, I also buy the manga to support the artists. That's an important thing to do, you know.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

If that's the case, then what do you think of the Pirate Parties being legal in Europe, Canada and the USA? They are promoting an activity of criticizing the whole nature of copyright in the digital environment? Copyright issue itself is gray.

Never heard of pirate parties, but just because they say copyright is "gray" doesn't make it so.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Read all of your posts carefully for few years on copyright. You seem to secretly love this concept. But that's just my guess.

Here are two options:

1. You keep complaining about online manga, games or movie piracy (which is still growing thanks to many forms of encryption) until you die.
2. You promote a middle way to satisfy both sides.

Actually, I'm in favor of reforming the copyright laws since they're early 20th century relics. And manga artists should have donation boxes embedded in their website or blogs.

I am not in love with copyright, per se. I am "in love" with protecting people's rights to not have their work stolen from them. In the same way I guess I am "in love" with car door locks, as I don't like people stealing stuff out of my car.

To satisfy both sides there needs to be balance. A transaction is that...an exchange that goes both ways.

When one side isn't willing to engage in exchange, there is no transaction and no balance.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

But I just wanted to ask... Is borrowing a book from the library, reading it, and giving it back for free a crime or piracy? Some of you might say that libraries don't make money like OneManga, but to that I respond; If OneManga stopped making profit from advertisement and simply uploaded Manga so that it's available like a book is available at the library, would you guys still consider it piracy?

No. Libraries are endorsed by the publishers and pay the publishers for the right to do what they do. Libraries are not for profit and do more than just give free access to reading materials.

If OneManga took off all their advertising AND was endorsed by the publishers, then I would stop calling it piracy.

[noodle]

Just a quick search on the internet and I've found this;

"A U.S. library does not have to license the material. Under the “first sale doctrine” codified in the 1976 Copyright Act, the legal purchaser of a book (or videotape, or DVD) is free to dispose of it as he/she wishes – to re-sell, or lease it as long as he/she does not copy it."

Like ponadok said, it's in some countries only where they have to pay royalties. So the issue (at least in the US) comes down to copying just as this was the issue with Napster... MP3's were being copied, so it broke copyright laws... however, if OneManga were to make their content blocked and unable to be copied, it would be perfectly legal... right?

I think that publishers aren't going to get very far with this when someone can be bothered to make a site where content can only be viewed and not copied! Unless I'm mistaken, this is the loophole that will be exploited!