One Manga is closing down

[JasonTakeshi]

Originally Posted by MMM

Jason, in the forums at One Manga it was written that 30+ manga scanlation sites have shut down in recent days.

It's just a matter of days, really. You will have people resorting to imageboards (requests) and, belive me, people will get what they want.
But indeed, if scanlation was a city, it's now a neighborhood.

Originally Posted by MMM

Scanlation is different than, say, porn where you just copy-paste. Scanlation takes an effort. One Manga and many of these sites have been up for years. Finally the publishers in Japan and the US are unifying to knock these illegal sites off the block.

And they did it for free. And they will continue to do it underground (like mentioned above). Or any other "average Joe" with free time and in need of E-ego.

Originally Posted by MMM

You said you made some suggestions about fighting piracy. I am not seeing them here. Please help me out.

Not on this forum.

But I will give you a hint: How do you host pictures?

Internet needs a reform on image hosting. For copyright infringement it would be easy to create a program (like Reverse Image along with a Pixel Scalor for size purpose) to identify and erase the images that contains the same pixelized padrons of the scanlated mangas. (You would have to make the mangas digital in the first place)

Just food for thought. Can go into deep thinking depending on the answers.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by manganimefan227

Interesting, care to elaborate? (As far as how much they make) I've always wondered if writing and drawing a manga, like Masashi Kishimoto, would be enough to live on.

I`m sure he has enough to live on NOW. But there are only a few manga that make it BIG BIG. The rest - you know, like the ones that don`t get licensed - do not ever get that big.

One of my friends from high school is a manga artist. Please do not ask who - that is irrelevant.

She makes 30,000/week from the serialized manga running in a magazine. (This used to be 18,000 before it was picked up as an anime.) She also gets 16,000 per episode of the anime made as a writer for it. She makes 20 off of each volume of tankoubon sold new. She sold the rights for making the anime for 300,000.

In total, she makes about 184,000 a month set, and about 300,000/month in sales (if there is a month where a new volume wasn`t released that drops down to about 50,000).

Out of this, she pays an assistant 100,000~150,000/month... And pays for about half her materials out of pocket.

On the good months, she has a whopping 350,000 in true income to spend on life. On the bad, she has a bit over 100,000.

She lives in an apartment+studio that costs 120,000/month, but is talking about maybe moving somewhere else and renting an office room somewhere else (like 40,000 for a tiny one room apartment way out of town and 40,000 for a one room studio in town for work) because it is painfully expensive to both live and work in town. (Save on good months in order to survive the next month until a new tankoubon comes out...)

Money? Glamor? Hahahahaha

My husband, working 9 to 6 with no overtime makes more than that. (And with overtime can hit double)
She works literally 10 hours a day at the least... And just barely scrapes by.

Before the anime came out, she worked 12 hours on her manga, and 6~8 part time at a convenience store to survive.

Those are the people who lose income when a manga is distributed online. Especially since income from the tankoubon is the biggest income source. My friend sold rights to the anime NOT to make money off of the anime itself, but to get more publicity for the tankoubon... Where she actually gets more money if more people buy it.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

]It's just a matter of days, really. You will have people resorting to imageboards (requests) and, belive me, people will get what they want.
But indeed, if scanlation was a city, it's now a neighborhood.

People will do what people will do. I just hope this leads to the beginning of the end of illegal manga piracy. That's all.

Originally Posted by JasonTakeshi

And they did it for free. And they will continue to do it underground (like mentioned above). Or any other "average Joe" with free time and in need of E-ego.


Not on this forum.

But I will give you a hint: How do you host pictures?

Internet needs a reform on image hosting. For copyright infringement it would be easy to create a program (like Reverse Image along with a Pixel Scalor for size purpose) to identify and erase the images that contains the same pixelized padrons of the scanlated mangas. (You would have to make the mangas digital in the first place)

Just food for thought. Can go into deep thinking depending on the answers.

No hosting = No E-ego (as you said it).

[Payne222]

You stunads, One Manga wasn't closed because of the lawsuit! It was closed because, as Prince pointed out recently, the internet is over. It was just a fad. They're closing it all down soon.

....ok, in all reality...I'm kinda upset One Manga's closed now. That's how I keep up^to date with Weekly Jump. I mean, with my graphic novels I'm all up-to-date with the English manga, but if I can read it before it comes out for me to buy it, I figure why not? I'm still gonna buy it.

But honestly, scanlators arn't done. Look at the whole Napster with music downloads, The Pirate Bay with Movie and TV torrents. Yeah, they're sued...but it still hasn't stopped.

I guess for me, One Manga and other sites closing down are bittersweet for me. I'm happy the manga-ka arn't losing all their money they could be getting with sales, but now I can't be all caught up with Japan, haha.

[Moot]

It's not just manga, its the same with music, movie's and games. I'm not helping by downloading music from limewire or reading manga online, but it sure as hell feel's good knowing it's free, no offence.

Oh well, Onemanga is gone now, all the content has become suspended and put down.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Moot

It's not just manga, its the same with music, movie's and games. I'm not helping by downloading music from limewire or reading manga online, but it sure as hell feel's good knowing it's free, no offence.

Oh well, Onemanga is gone now, all the content has become suspended and put down.

Have you even read anything I or Nyororin have posted?

It is not free. That's the whole point. "No offense."

[YukisUke]

You know, MMM, you just have to calm down. I don't care that OM was illegal or not. Think about the people who have to pay bills and whatnot. They don't have money to buy volumes of mangs books. Online manga was their way of keeping up with everyone else. And if you don't see it that way, oh well.

[manganimefan227]

Thank you for sharing this MMM and Nyororin, I'm going to still try though, I'll teach English or some other career which grabs my interest( Most likely a clerk or cashier somewhere as well. Hopefully piracy isn't big like it is now.

[manganimefan227]

Originally Posted by YukisUke

You know, MMM, you just have to calm down. I don't care that OM was illegal or not. Think about the people who have to pay bills and whatnot. They don't have money to buy volumes of mangs books. Online manga was their way of keeping up with everyone else. And if you don't see it that way, oh well.

-Sigh- I am SO glad I never became this obsessed with anime. It truely does brainwash you and make you selfish and ignorant.

EDIT:

If you think MMM is mad, imagine how mad the authors of all of the manga you read scanalations from are, or how frustrating it is to them.

View it from their perspective, give an honest effot, then come back saying stuff like that.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by YukisUke

You know, MMM, you just have to calm down. I don't care that OM was illegal or not. Think about the people who have to pay bills and whatnot. They don't have money to buy volumes of mangs books. Online manga was their way of keeping up with everyone else. And if you don't see it that way, oh well.

Then they don`t need to read manga.
It isn`t food. It isn`t an essential part of life, no matter how much of an addict you are. It`s an interest, a hobby, and nothing more.

Imagine if your hobby was something more solid, like... say... collecting something. Because you "have to pay the bills" would you consider it alright to STEAL such things? Would you consider it okay to walk into a shop and snab some of whatever it is you collect?

If you can`t afford to buy them, there is no real reason you need to be reading them. This is greediness and selfishness. If you can`t afford them, then try saving up some money or looking into something that doesn`t cost as much for entertainment (no, not illegal scans).

This reasoning totally stuns me every time I see it.

If you can`t afford something, it doesn`t justify stealing it. Maybe, just MAYBE, if you were in some situation where you couldn`t afford to buy food necessary to surviving I could sort of see the reasoning - you`d die without sustenance - but this is a HOBBY.

I guess people justifying their own bad habits just don`t realize how incredibly childish it is.