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07-08-2007, 08:56 PM

This is a tad uncanny however will some one vex him or her self for providing a little explanation of this game and no I am not going to read all 256 pages. That would be very mundane and time consuming.


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07-08-2007, 11:10 PM

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Alright then due the lack of recent debates the inclusion of new members to our SPK I now start a new topic of debate...

Since I role play ryuk, my debates shall deal with the shinigami... ^^. I think the shinigami are a totally lazy bunch of beings. Aside from being death gods, the only thing they do with their life is to play poker with each other . Of all of them Ryuk is the only one who has shown a semblance of sense and in fact interest in human beings apart from wanting to kill them outright. The question then comes to mind, WHY do the shinigami have the eyes and the books? Their presence is for no higher purpose in life than to play poker or to laze about sleeping.
Ive wondered that myself i mean whats the point of having the eyes if you can never really use them :/


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Kira had the book, escaped making the eye deal by using MISA's ability and used the book for ends he considered as "just". Yet having killed so many criminals (and some innocent people), people still rage against his behaviour. How come nobody has anything to raise against the shinigami then? They're the lowliest set of beings alive (apart from my RP character ). They kill purely out of greed, they care not for justice or lack of it, they already have special powers of flight and sight. They have all the attributes and more of what people consider the "bad" side of Kira. The only difference is that Kira publicised himself as a "bringer of justice" and let the people know he was in a position of power where he could claim human lives at will.
Well not many people know of the sinigami's existence! Humans cant really see the sinigami's so they wouldn't believe someone if they stared saying they could see shinigami's and that they were the source of power behind the Kira attacks.... The difference there is that Kira wants people to know he's some kind of Bringer of Justice BECAUSE he wants to scare people out of doing things that are evil or harmful to others. He's trying to make the world a better place on his sense of the way it should be. People consider Kira a bad person because he plays the role of a "god" so to speak. When they believe no one has the right to play god but well god. Kira just believes he's doing whats right.

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Is it then simply human ignorance that leads to prejudice? If the humans knew about the shinigami would they attempt to counter attack them? Would there be an SPK to hunt shinigami down? Or can the shinigami be excused saying that it is simply their way of life... if so why can't Kira be excused the same way?...
Well for humans when they get scared and don't understand something they most likely do what any human would do. Kill it. if humans knew shinigama existed and knew a way to go to them they would probably try to kill them :/ because what ever isn't human is always believed to be evil somehow. (not to mention they have death notes O.o) once the human find out about those death notes they would try a attack most likely.



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07-09-2007, 06:29 AM

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...WHY do the shinigami have the eyes and the books? Their presence is for no higher purpose in life than to play poker or to laze about sleeping.

...How come nobody has anything to raise against the shinigami then? They're the lowliest set of beings alive (apart from my RP character ). They kill purely out of greed...
Shinigamis dont kill for greed. They dont even care to kill. Remember, Ryuk describe his kind as "when you try to write names on your book, others make fun of you becasue you are trying to much"

Shinigamis usually kill to survive; when they reach end of their own life span, they simple take out from humans.

And they need eyes & books to survive, to expand their life span.

Shinigamis & Kira is soo different. Shinigamis dont care about human lifes and dont interfere yet Kira poked his nose in every opportunity.


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07-09-2007, 04:47 PM

@ AoshiShino-kun, nice new topic. I like it. You gave some life back to the DN thread ^__^

Shinigami are unknown to humans. Their only purpose in live is to kill humans nothing more. They sit around all day and play games because there is just nothing better to do. The Shinigami World/Dimension is a wasteland. Since Ryuk got tired of just sitting around he decided to go to the human world. Shinigami are invisible to humans, and can only be seen by one that has a Death Note. The only way for a human to have a Death Note, is if a note is "accidently" dropped, or a Shinigami chose a "worthy" person. Shinigami cannot be killed by human weapons, so even if there were a group that opposed them, it would do no good. There are only two ways to kill a Shinigami. #1 make them fall in love with a human, and then they save that human's life. Shinigami are cursed to only take life, and to not purposely save it. Therefore, if they save a life, that is their highest crime, and they are reduced to a pile of sand... #2 Stop a Shinigami from writing in a note. Shinigami must kill humans to extend their life. If they do not, then they die.

They don't kill out of greed, they do it because they need to to survive. Little information about them is known. But to humans they are "Death" the one who kills you when it is your time. I am unaware if they have their powers in their realm. For example, Ryuk and other Shinigami can phase through walls, make themselves transparent etc. In their world they have the eyes and their flight. It is guessed that the Shinigami King began the Shinigami race, and made the notebooks. Why make the notebooks? Why exist to only kill humans? These are questions that may never go unanswered. They are met for one to just use their imagination I think.
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Yep, Kira is evil!
hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.....I resent that comment!!!!>.......I have some good qualities!!!!!...lol..........go Kira!!!!!........but I love L too.................



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07-09-2007, 05:11 PM

But i think that Ryuk does come off as a greedy shinigami. He dropped the notebook for fun :/ for his own personal enjoyment Light just so happened to be the one to find it.



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07-09-2007, 05:16 PM

oh....and Kanji.......I have a question...........well........If these shinigami rely on a face and a name........in order to kill a person.........then that means, that their dimmension is directly based off of government.....if that makes any sence...........
you see, my name is for all practical purposes Kira...on here......and my real name is based off of a governmental system.......In other words, I am recognised by society as ______ because our government issues ss#'s and a birth cirtificate......so, what if I was to grow up in the wilderness, with no name from society???........how would it work??.....
of course, this also gives us an underlying possiblility, that there is a name that is assigned to us by the type of people we are........but, if that were true, then it would still be based off of a human world....because, names are based off of launguage which is a human creation......
So, I've concluded, that the world of the death god's rely's on the human world more than people realize.......they rely on our world for the people they kill in order to survive, and they rely on us for their ways in killing us.......so, are they really gods.....are they really powerfull??.....It seems to me that the shinigami are nothing more than a disease.....who have latched on to civilization, and kill off indivitual cells for their own survival.........so, maybe, all they really are is a virus.........
so, in the end, I'm basically trying to ask, : If we did away with civilization, and we stopped naming people, would the shinigami dissapear?



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07-09-2007, 05:29 PM

@ IAmKira:

Shinigami means "Death God" they may not look like "gods" but they are given this classification because they watch over us like gods do. But they are not watching us to make sure everything runs smoothly, and theta the Earth is working as it should, they are watching us to see which one among the human race is going to die. They may seem like parasites, but in fact I have pity for them. They exist only to kill. What if they don't want to kill? It is unknown how Shinigami are created. We don't know if they unwillingly thrown into that situation. But if they are "born" then they must kill from the start.

If humans had no birth names, and were given numbers from birth. Then the Shinigami would cease to exist. They need a first and last name to kill by.

But then you have to think, what if Shinigami evolve over time, like we do? What if they become able to kill us even if we don't have actual names? If we didn't have names, then would have something else, since in this government run world, everyone needs a number or something. So the ones in control can always know what each person is doing.
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07-09-2007, 05:38 PM

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@ IAmKira:

Shinigami means "Death God" they may not look like "gods" but they are given this classification because they watch over us like gods do. But they are not watching us to make sure everything runs smoothly, and theta the Earth is working as it should, they are watching us to see which one among the human race is going to die. They may seem like parasites, but in fact I have pity for them. They exist only to kill. What if they don't want to kill? It is unknown how Shinigami are created. We don't know if they unwillingly thrown into that situation. But if they are "born" then they must kill from the start.
Well then doesn't that prove that the Shinigami don't benefit the world like a god would... I mean the fact that they kill to benefit themselves isn't very god like. We just call them gods because they are bigger and scarier and have powers that we really cant explain.



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07-09-2007, 05:45 PM

@ Nanami:

The only thing I am think of that the Shinigami do that benefits this world is kill people so the world does not become even more over-populated. I know it may sound cruel, but if a few million people were to die, it would go un-noticed. They are doing the planet more good by making space for everything else. Human's so blindly pass on their genes to someone else that it makes the world grow even more packed every single day.

Gods are usually called gods because they are a force that you cannot see and touch, and they affect your life everyday, they are just there and everyone just believes that they exist, with no solid evidence. Shigami cannot be seen, and they cannot be touched. Unless they allow themselves to be, so they fit in the "god" category.
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