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06-30-2007, 02:38 AM
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The TOMIE manga is so good, and the movies (1 and 2) really pale in comparison. They felt like JU-ON ripoffs to me. I will remember to try and see the later one(s). I liked UZUMAKI the movie, and it does a good job of trying to keep the style of the manga, but the manga wins here. I have to admit, I like the BATTLE ROYALE movie better than the manga (though I have only read the first handful of volumes). I am not really into the style of the manga. The kids were SO bad, that it was hard to feel sympathy for them, unlike in the movie. I also have to disagree with MPD PSYCHO. I think the manga is much more together and comprehensible, though it does work your brain, than the video release. Remember, those fuzzed out marks in the movie were put in there by the director, not a censor. 
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06-30-2007, 03:22 PM
I just turned 24 earlier this month, so I'm not quite 30 yet. I don't feel so bad about being into anime at my age after reading this thread! Sorry, my dad teases me relentlessly calling it "childish cartoons". He just doesn't get it (but he will sit around all day watching the 3 stooges...yeah, that's mature). When I tell my mom all of my friends are into it, she is like "oh, what, those 10 year olds from the martial arts school?"...I'm like, no mom, people at work that are older than me... she doesn't get it either. Anyway, nice to see there are some older people into anime/manga.
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06-30-2007, 09:48 PM
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You MUST read the ICHI THE KILLER if you liked the movie. I need to warn you, you will feel actual pain just by looking at the pictures (remember the part where Kakihara was about to split that guts penis in half? The SHOW that in the manga OW OW OW OW OW!!!!!) The first two Tomie movies are TERRIBLE trust me though you wont be disapionted with the rest of the movies, yes they do continue to have alot of J-horror cliches (the 4th movie is even directed by Takashi Shimizu) but by the 3rd movie the sereise manages to have some good gory scenes and special effects. The 3rd movie is full of gore, and the 4th and 5th only have a little gore but its really realistic at the parts where they do. As for the 6th and 7th...they are barley worth seeing.... I completley agree about UZUMAKI When it comes to battle royal I didnt feel like you were suposed to like the characters...that's like the whole point...it was like lord of the frlies...people are evil...blahblaha that kinnda thing... Wait, Takashi Miike blurred out the gore????? Why the hell would he do that???? I though he didnt beleive in holding back! I thought it was just because it was going to air on television! Thats so stupid!
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06-30-2007, 10:13 PM
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"Tom Mes: Several scenes in MPD-Psycho were censored by way of a mosaic pattern. But quite a few of these seemed to be in somewhat random places, covering up things that didn't seem remotely offensive. This made me think that it was you who added them, rather than being the result of actual censorhip. Takashi Miike: Yes, it was me. From the start I thought about how big to make those mosaics and where to put them. In the end result, there was nothing at all underneath the scrambled patterns in some scenes. Many people feel negatively about the technique of covering things up, but I think it's a very Japanese form of expression, one that can be attractive even. I thought it would be fun to be in the position of those people who have to censor films and TV series, who decide where and when to put these cover-ups. From a technical point of view, I don't really have a negative attitude towards it. Also, from the moment things are covered up, we are stimulated and we start to imagine things that are even more grotesque or more beautiful than what was originally there. I wanted to provoke that kind of imagination in people, which I think is a very cinematic technique." (Cut and pasted from a quote here) ILOVEJAPAN, I think you are a little more into the gore factor than I am, which is totally fine. I can see why you would like BATTLE ROYALE the manga more than the movie. I think in the manga the shock is in the gore, but in the movie the shock is in the fact that a group of high-school freshmen are forced to kill each other. The manga emphasizes the fact that they are the worst class in all of Japan, and the backstories prove that, but the movie doesn't emphasize that making us feel more sympathy for the students, and evoking more of an emotional response. I think both versions tell a similar story in different ways and with different results.
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07-01-2007, 07:41 PM
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 (LOL)Im not sure why Im so obsessed. Im actualy a vegatarian and an anti-war envirmentalist  I have been wanting to read that book. I love Miike. Well, I think if he was going to censor some stuff it shouldnt have been that much. Especial at the parts where you an pretty much see whats under the censor, we can see it so why not let us see it more clearly? So anyways, yes while I did love the violance I thought it made the point better. It was trying to show how evil people are and how violant our world is...not including that makes the movie more shocking but it takes away from the statement the manga was trying to make.
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07-01-2007, 08:51 PM
Lots to say about different subjects but I'll try and pull my thoughts together to make some sense:
1) MPD Psycho, I liked the TV series because it was visually interesting, the green rain for example, I also found the censorship interesting because initially it annoyed me, but then I thought about why it annoyed me. Did I buy the series to see the gore, was it more important than the plot? What were my expectations, and would I be disappointed if they weren't met? Etc. etc. 2) Midori was one where I think it could have been censored a little more. I did watch it based on the recommendation so thanks for that, but even so I'm not sure whether I'd generally recommend it as it's so depressing. Cuts of a few seconds would have made it easier viewing certainly, but the fact that it wasn't easy viewing is maybe the point. When we are disturbed by events we like to think they serve a purpose, ie good will prevail over evil etc. but then if it doesn't we're kind of forced to come to terms with the fact that shit just happens and we're expected to deal with it. 3) Hmm... I feel I'm trying to get all philosophical here. That's probably because I've been watching Kino's Journey. Brilliant series. If you like anime that makes you think about it once the credits have rolled then this is one to get. I can't understand why people aren't really into it. Perhaps the lack of action and plot makes it a bit slow for most people? 4) I generally agree that Manga are better than the movie versions, such as in the case of Uzumaki, but I think the Ring is a manga that fails. The characters are far too cutesy for a horror manga, and the actual creepiness of the video tape itself cannot be portrayed without sound and moving images. It's a decent enough manga but perhaps it could have been a lot better if drawn by an artist such as Junji Ito, who just manages to draw everything in a more darker, creepier and realistic style.
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07-02-2007, 11:32 PM
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In some cases I actualy got bored of the repetative violance because there was no story. In the case of Gantz I was bored after the first few volumes because all they did was go into the game and kill alians...over and over and over...its like...whats the point? Hm...the manga version of RING is hard to describe...its mostly done by some guy name "MIEMU" (or somthing like that) but they used a few diffrent authors, and this miemu guy tryed a few diffrent styeles. I generaly agree that horror manga usualy needs to have a serouse style for me to take it serously, but for some reason I thought RING was somthing I could take serously. Although I was more impresses with the art style in volume one then the other volumes. One artist who does some really good horror storys is HIDESHI HINO. He's great but his art style is so cartoony its hard to take serously. Im not sure if this is what he was going for but with a lot of his storys Im more liley to laugh then to gasp or scream (not that I ever do that when reading manga). Although some of his storys are drawn in a very realistic style, those storys I like a lot more. Im also a fan of his Gunea Pig films. Has anyone seen them? They are extremley gory.
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07-03-2007, 11:45 PM
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YOU DIDNT LIKE ELFEN LIED??? I personaly loved it and thought it was amazing. The first episode was amazing. I loved all the violants and gore. But even when it did settle down I still loved it. I still didnt see it as a romantic comedy, I saw it as violant drama with strong romantic overtones and a few comedy undertones. I cant at all understand why you think it needed more plot and backround stories. I dont think I have ever seen an anime with as many backround storys as elfen lied. Considering aboult half of the sereise is flash backs of the characters childhood, and it just kept building up on this mysterious secret, and the more flash backs you see the more is reveiled about the characters pasts, and you keep coming closer and closer to learning the secret, until the last few episodes where all the peices of the puzzle are put together and you finally find out whats happening. How can you say it didnt have enough backround storys? How can you say it didnt have enough plot? I think it had some of the best plot I have ever seen in anime. I also thought it was interesting they way there were 2 personalitys in one body (it wasnt even scitzaphrenia, I think Nyyu and Lucy are actualy two diffrent people).
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Still...at least the manga isnt blurred. I think the more I read the manga the more I will understand the films. When I saw ICHI THE KILLER there were alot of things I didnt understand...but from reading the manga, I understood the plot alot more (the manga was much clearer and they took more time to explain the plot) and it made the film alot better for me. I feel like it will be the same with MPD PHSYCHO.
