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10-26-2007, 03:36 AM

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But then again, you have to also realize. This is Japan. The people here latch on and follow whatever they can to feel.... accepted. This goes from the 16 year old girl to the 60 year old man. All of you come from countries that promote free thinking. Japan does not. There is an ols saying here in Japan

"The nail that sticks out, gets hammered down"

And belive me, it does. Also, look at these 16 year old kogyaru and anime girls here. They look like walking sluts. Now wait before you go off on your own little rage about what i just said. i will break it down for you.

i am 30, I was goth in HS and lived in Japan the majority of my life. i was at evey X Japan concert and actually was tramatized when Hide offed himself. So when i look at these Harajuku girls or Shibuya girls, I see freedom of expression. I see people following a fad till they are about 22 then putting on a suit and going to work. I have no problem with this and hey, the girls are hot! most of them.

NOW! Lets look from the 45 year old police chiefs eyes who sees his daughters ass cheeks hanging out all the time or skimpy clothing on everywhere she goes....blah blah blah. I am willing to put one of my cars on the line that he raped her. Sounds bad? Actually happends daily in Japan. Then these girls watch these new animes and associate themselves then go kill someone. Is it the animes fault? I think it has some responsibility. But I would think it is an overall effect of daddy touching her, guys touching her, and low self esteem. then compund this with drama queen friends and a slave camp school... If you search the mainichi paper, tokyo times, Japan times... there are stories like this all over the place.

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10-26-2007, 03:40 AM

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Seconded, quiet a thoughtful explanation.
Thank you. I live here. I see this everyday.
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good violence VS bad violence - 10-26-2007, 05:10 AM

well, i really don't think that the out side in this case influenced on people, because this thing such as violence come form inside to outside, the matter is if you chose to accept the things from out to come in, but they are adolecents, children are other history.
i still love violent punish, for justice, still i don't like to see it in movies or anime for example (i know sound creepy). i don't accept the violence form outside but in my mind i create thing more horrorific, the bad point is they are on your my, on false step and it could be reallity. any way i know that the "normal" people don't do this, is the minority how do it; opreesed minority, depress, insult, rejected, lonly ones, in their mind they have nothing to lose and most of them they don't achive their goals (what they really want) so its easy for them to fall in this trap, violence for nothing.
i don't give a mind to kill for protect myself or other selfs from someone how try to make us hurt, steal us, or kill us for money or for non reason, either way my is to protect (when theres no other choice to kill, i would rather no to). haven't kill anybody yet, and i hope not to.
sound like contradictory but i don't figth with everyone, i try to avoide figthing or oder conflicts (maybe for the reason that the tv offer my, the easiest way: kill), even that i fell that agressive scense increasing inside me and violence is not a good way to focus that agressive, belive it or not, shy guys start felling that like something strange inside them and start: i wanna figth you in my mind but i don't wanna figth you in real life, on of the best focus is the agressivity to challenge your self to acomplish the goal that you couldn't (also a thing not that easy).
better to find someone that you know you can understeand it and find a way how to realise in a non threat way all that energy hidden or unrealish it inside the guy/girl before it take another way that is the uselles violence: one hurting for the empty pleasure to do it.
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10-26-2007, 05:33 AM

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well, i really don't think that the out side in this case influenced on people, because this thing such as violence come form inside to outside, the matter is if you chose to accept the things from out to come in, but they are adolecents, children are other history.
i still love violent punish, for justice, still i don't like to see it in movies or anime for example sdfsdfsdfdsfdsf
I got some of that, and I can kinda see where you're coming from, but it's just fantasy/made up/cartoon. It's just certain people who can't distinguish between reality and fantasy giving us ultra-violent cartoon on-goers a bad name.
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10-26-2007, 10:07 AM

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I got some of that, and I can kinda see where you're coming from, but it's just fantasy/made up/cartoon. It's just certain people who can't distinguish between reality and fantasy giving us ultra-violent cartoon on-goers a bad name.
There you go... that hit it on the head.
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10-26-2007, 08:51 PM

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There you go... that hit it on the head.
Isn't that what I have been saying the whole time? Or maybe I wasnt clear enough, thats what I have been trying to say.

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10-26-2007, 09:13 PM

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But then again, you have to also realize. This is Japan. The people here latch on and follow whatever they can to feel.... accepted. This goes from the 16 year old girl to the 60 year old man. All of you come from countries that promote free thinking. Japan does not. There is an ols saying here in Japan

"The nail that sticks out, gets hammered down"
Japan is a conformist country, and the most important thing to the Japanese to fit in. However, it is a free country, and you can think or do whatever the hell you want (as long as you are being respectfull).

But I think people exagerate the conformism. Its not like they are all living in a distopian society where everyone is forced to look act and think the same. And on some degree, every country has social norms that you are expected to follow, and not stick out of the crowd.

Im seeing a lot of expression and freedom from Japan now (more than ever), because I think the younger generations are getting tired of conformism, and are kind of trying to break free from that.

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So when i look at these Harajuku girls or Shibuya girls, I see freedom of expression. I see people following a fad till they are about 22 then putting on a suit and going to work.
Huh? You mean you DON'T see fredom of expression? (little typo no biggie, just making sure, because otherwise it would have been a condroction, and wouldnt have made sence)

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NOW! Lets look from the 45 year old police chiefs eyes who sees his daughters ass cheeks hanging out all the time or skimpy clothing on everywhere she goes....blah blah blah. I am willing to put one of my cars on the line that he raped her. Sounds bad? Actually happends daily in Japan. Then these girls watch these new animes and associate themselves then go kill someone. Is it the animes fault? I think it has some responsibility. But I would think it is an overall effect of daddy touching her, guys touching her, and low self esteem. then compund this with drama queen friends and a slave camp school... If you search the mainichi paper, tokyo times, Japan times... there are stories like this all over the place.
I don't think the man raped her. When the girl was questioned she said "he was meeting other women, so I thought I would give him the Guillotine."

The girl was clearly mentaly ill. So either the father was inocent...or (I really hope thi isnt what was happining) he was doing things to her, that she liked, or accepted.

Also the younger daughter said that there father "was always kind to us, and never acted violantly"

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10-26-2007, 09:24 PM

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Japan is way more brutal and darker then most of you know.
It's true that awfull things happen in Japan that many people would be shocked to hear (because of the steriotypes of Japanese being shy, timid, and polite).

But compaired to the US, the UK, and most other modern countries, crime rates in Japan are extremley low, and very few people are raped or murderd (when you are compairing to these countries)

Its true that many of the crimes in Japan are very gruesome but as I recall somone saying on a thread a long time ago...(sorry dont remember who it was, but if you decide to pop in at any time, go ahead and give yourself credit)
"I would wrather hear about a gruesome murder once a month [in Japan] then a top 10 list of people who were shot every day in [wherever the had originaly lived]"
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10-26-2007, 09:37 PM

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"The nail that sticks out, gets hammered down"
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10-26-2007, 09:40 PM

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Tokyo drift
lol it's not from that movie, it's a Japanese saying that has been around for a long time that they happend to say in that movie

BTW I really like this conversation, I was hoping to have a more indepth look at was going on here instead of a bunch of random people coming on and then saying "No! Anime dosent inspire real life violants" and then leaving
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