Alcohol

[noodle]

I don't believe he said all drunks are violent... Plus, you're making a big mistake with that logic of yours. I don't know if you do math or computer science at uni, but if that's what you do, you need to revise your Propositional and Predicate Logic.

[chaseme]

Based on the iq test i took i got 131-138
they describe my brain function as a fact curator
one of the suggested course they give me is computer engineering
im currently taking up computer engineering
i dont think there is something wrong with my logic

AND I NEVER SAID THAT IVIONKEY said that ALL drunks are violent
quote me get your facts right please

Now instead of saying that there is a mistake on my logic would you try correcting my logic

THis statement is a mere example

All drunks are violent, Chase is a violent drunkard, avionkey is a drunkard but not violent.

well heres a sample from the iq test.

If all Zips are Zoodles, and all Zoodles are Zonkers, then all Zips are definitely Zonkers.

i dont see much difference just keep in my that the above statement is merely an EXAMPLE

[noodle]

Ok, first of all, IQ tests are a bunch of crap and don't mean anything... If you believe that getting 131-138 makes you smart, then you're not as smart as you think you are. I don't know how to say that politely, I'm sorry.

Secondly, when I was talking about your logic, I was talking about this statement.

"If statement A is true for person A then it should be true for person B also."

That is not a fact... something is fact if it implies both ways (meaning it is true for every situation/example), but I guess, you're not doing propositional logic, so me explaining that is pointless. And giving one example to make the above statement true, doesn't imply that it is true.

Thirdly, I thought you were talking about ivionk3y. If you weren't, then why did you bring something like that up, and who were you talking about?

[chaseme]

1st of all i don't think 131-138 is high
2nd 131-138 that should give you a hint that i took different test iq are on that bracket and their description on how my brain works are basically the same. plus the fact that i know myself better than anyone else i could say that their analysis on the function of my brain is accurate
3rd i didn't put stress on the numbers but on fact curator which describes how my brain works.
4th i know my intelligence is above average i dont need iq test to know that

mere example

and also to show what i accept as a fact

(meaning it is true for every situation/example),

Is it not the same with my idea of a fact?
for something to be considered a fact
it should be true for sample A,B,C....etc... is that what you mean?
is it not the same?
english is not my best subject but however i examine your description i dont see any difference in them

[noodle]

lol, I'm not debating your intellegence, I am simply telling you that IQ tests are a load of crap. I don't know you, so why would I even hint at you not being intellegent.

Nevermind, as I said before, it would take a ridiculous amount of time to explain the errors in your statement... If you didn't understand the mistake from what I've written, then all you have to do is wait to study it in Computer engineering. It's guranteed that these kind of statements come up in your course.
But for now, if you're simply applying it to this example of yours, then, you're right...

[koaku]

looooool barre de rire

[noodle]

Originally Posted by koaku

looooool barre de rire

lol,.,eehhh ouais, ya tjrs kelk1 ki pense etr le j-ni

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by noodle

Propositional and Predicate Logic.

Eww, I hated that module! We had to learn a language called Zed.

Originally Posted by chaseme

Is it really a fact maybe i love to sleep in most of my class but i have never really heard any of my science prof mention that fact.

Really. So if your Science Professor doesn't mention it, this becomes a lie?
What level is this Science that you do. This is more to do with research so is on a level with a degree. Therefore, if you are not at university studying Science as a degree, (assuming that while there, you are doing a thesis (on / similar to) chemical effects on human behaviour) then why would your professor even vaguely mention this?

Originally Posted by chaseme

although i do agree that alcohol affects ones motor skills. I strongly disagree that alcohol changes ones values

Such disagreement can only be based on ignorance. It is a well known study that alcohol will effect behaviour and hence the values of people will be effected.

I have no article to forward to you since most of my reading i've done through articles in journals. However a quick search in Google brings up this piece of news.

BBC NEWS | Health | Alcohol effect lingers on brain

This is the important piece from that article.

"Scientists examined the effect of alcohol on complex, or executive, brain functions such as abstract reasoning, planning and the ability to monitor our own behaviour in response to external feedback.
They found that performance in these areas was affected even after the concentration of alcohol in the blood had dipped to the point that people were no longer aware of its effect"

If you still disagree, I suggest you delve deeper and do your own research into it.

Originally Posted by chaseme

Based on the iq test i took i got 131-138
they describe my brain function as a fact curator
one of the suggested course they give me is computer engineering
im currently taking up computer engineering
i dont think there is something wrong with my logic

AND I NEVER SAID THAT IVIONKEY said that ALL drunks are violent
quote me get your facts right please

Now instead of saying that there is a mistake on my logic would you try correcting my logic

THis statement is a mere example
well heres a sample from the iq test.

If all Zips are Zoodles, and all Zoodles are Zonkers, then all Zips are definitely Zonkers.

i dont see much difference just keep in my that the above statement is merely an EXAMPLE

You know, I took that Tickle IQ test once as well, back when Tickle was called E-Mode and was free.
I got 161 on it.
However I didn't base what I was going to do in life from that IQ test..
>.>

[chaseme]

Really. So if your Science Professor doesn't mention it, this becomes a lie?
What level is this Science that you do. This is more to do with research so is on a level with a degree. Therefore, if you are not at university studying Science as a degree, (assuming that while there, you are doing a thesis (on / similar to) chemical effects on human behaviour) then why would your professor even vaguely mention this?

what i mean is that matter is such an important one not to be taught in highschool science dont you think?

Such disagreement can only be based on ignorance. It is a well known study that alcohol will effect behaviour and hence the values of people will be effected.

I have no article to forward to you since most of my reading i've done through articles in journals. However a quick search in Google brings up this piece of news.

BBC NEWS | Health | Alcohol effect lingers on brain

This is the important piece from that article.

"Scientists examined the effect of alcohol on complex, or executive, brain functions such as abstract reasoning, planning and the ability to monitor our own behaviour in response to external feedback.
They found that performance in these areas was affected even after the concentration of alcohol in the blood had dipped to the point that people were no longer aware of its effect"

If you still disagree, I suggest you delve deeper and do your own research into it.

ok i agree that alcohol can affect our abstract reasoning, planning and the ability to monitor our own behaviour in response to external feedback. probably an effect on dulling of the senses when drank too much alcohol. BUT it does not say that it changes ones values.
let me define values for you
values relatively firmly held and socially shared positions or expressions about what is good or right;
(**refreshing my memory on my human psychology class**)
considering its really a fact how can you prove that a change in values happen?
take in mind that a fact is is true for every situation/example. (from noodle)

You know, I took that Tickle IQ test once as well, back when Tickle was called E-Mode and was free.
I got 161 on it.
However I didn't base what I was going to do in life from that IQ test..
>.>

i heard people that go less than 150 even if they got the questions all right.(will try it later)
also like i said i did not emphasize on the numbers but on the analysis on how my brain work
and tickle test is still free if you got high enough score.

Nevermind, as I said before, it would take a ridiculous amount of time to explain the errors in your statement... If you didn't understand the mistake from what I've written, then all you have to do is wait to study it in Computer engineering. It's guranteed that these kind of statements come up in your course.
But for now, if you're simply applying it to this example of yours, then, you're right...

ok if you insist, its only because i usually see those kind of statement in test and i think that kind of statement clearly represent my idea of a fact thats why i use it

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by chaseme

what i mean is that matter is such an important one not to be taught in highschool science dont you think?

No they don't teach this in Highschool. They teach the fundamentals of Science there and how to somewhat apply those. Even in the first two years of university, more advanced fundamentals are taught as well as their application.
It is only during the final years that a student will be required to do any research at all, for their final year project and dissertation.
More advanced research is done by post-graduates mostly.

Originally Posted by chaseme

ok i agree that alcohol can affect our abstract reasoning, planning and the ability to monitor our own behaviour in response to external feedback. probably an effect on dulling of the senses when drank too much alcohol. BUT it does not say that it changes ones values.
let me define values for you
values relatively firmly held and socially shared positions or expressions about what is good or right;
(**refreshing my memory on my human psychology class**)
considering its really a fact how can you prove that a change in values happen?

I don't need to prove that values are changed.. It is far too obvious.
Lack of monitoring our behaviour is another way of saying what I said about our Inhibitions being nullified. If Inhibitions are nullified, our values change on how loud we should talk, what is deemed acceptable language, how we behave toward others and so on, all the way to the reasons for domestic violence, street crime and worse.

Originally Posted by chaseme

i heard people that go less than 150 even if they got the questions all right.(will try it later)
also like i said i did not emphasize on the numbers but on the analysis on how my brain work
and tickle test is still free if you got high enough score.

I really dunno the highest score on it these days but I took it YEARS ago, prolly around 2000-2001.