Why did you want to learn Martial Arts?

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Amnell

I think he's talking about calcium deposits that form from repeated blows to the same places. People that break bricks with their hands tend to get these on their knuckles.

The lumps aren't in the skin, they're in the bone. And they don't typically go away. It's literally extra bone.

What Tenchu is talking about is more like a bruise--everyone gets those just from taking a good knock.

EDIT:

I've never heard of recieving lumps or infections just from a fight, as you guys were discussing, either. However, I do know that you can develop calcium deposits on the knuckles and, if you're not careful, the wrists and even elbows for high impact training like brick breaking. If what I saw on Human Weapon holds true, then Muay Thai practitioners should theoretically develop such deposits from their training on the outside of the elbows (not actually in the joint), the forearms, and the shins because those areas are used frequently for striking. If done properly, you should ultimately have a fairly even layer of calcium buildup all along the limb, not just in one spot.

Btw, Tony Jaa f'n rules. (Ong Bak, the Thai Warrior--awesome movie)

That is just something that got popular from Rocky 6 lol. It may be a valid problem but its not something "He" is talking about.
I get these lumps myself and they ARE in the skin. Anyone who practices the conditioning i'm talking about, will get them. Its not a new phenomenon.

As for the lumps collecting, it happened to me when I was younger and I had to go to the doctor to get it sorted out. I practiced Karate at the time. This fluid needs to be rubbed out before it hardens and collects at the wrists or just stays put permanently in your arms.
The instructor was too crap to know to do this and quite a few of his students I know, grew up to have Arthritis and bad knees.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Well, I dont know about growing extra bone on the forearm. I know each time a person strikes something, it creates microscopic fractures in the bones, when these fractures heal the bone eventually becomes more dense and hard, as each time they heal it heals more thickly, and with less air in the bones. If someone trains to break stone, then they must be careful. I know a Chinese technique called Iron Palm that will allow you to break stone with your palm, not fist, without fear of this happening. The method is to smash the hand loosely down, like slapping, onto bags of sand and gravel. This applies impact to the bones, but not the joints, eventually turning them into bones as hard as steel. Then if you have the correct muscle and strikeing technique, your bones will be hard enough to smash anything you are strong enough to smash without them breaking. But punching stones would be bad for you, I reckon. As far as Muay Thai is concerned, they do similar training on the shins and elbows, by bashing them against banana trees. But as for putting the same impact as boxers and stuff use to fuck their arms, well, only that will happen in the arms the same as boxers if you hit too many bags with punches. The dont really apply pressure on the joints at all. Nor do the elbows. The knees might, but they arnt practiced much on actual strikeing things...

Hahahahaha! Tenchu whats whith the pink font! I can't take your words seriously with that color

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Wow... you sound SO enlightened there. <sarcasm>

Fighting is a path to spiritual enlightenment? Give me a break. Martial arts builds character and instill some sound philosophies, I'll give you that. But you know what? So does playing team sport such as soccer or rugby build character.

As for your assessment of my ability? You're right about one thing. I only train in martial arts 2-3 times a week. Any more than that would be a waste of time to me. You see, I cross train. That is I also run, swim and lift weights. I train in martial arts (at the moment Karate and Muay Thai) because it's fun and it's good for you.

If you ask me, the path to "enlightenment" is to be well-rounded and open-minded.

"Style fanatics" like you simply look like idiots. You lull yourself into a false sense of security by kidding yourself into thinking that your martial art is THE way. All you've really done is set yourself up in your own little world.

If you only practise Martial arts 2-3 times a week then you wouldn't match up against a person who has been training there life time. In places people choose what they want to be but then there are those who don't have money or even people there to support them. My school was poor >_< so we didn't have that many extra cericular activity, only P.E. (Which we only took for one year) and weight trianing. Of course it wasn't the best but everyone did what they could with it.
Martial arts does have a spiritual path but its only up to the student to obey them or not, no one is forcing you to do something you don't want to do. I found a Job in martial arts but if I had enough money to go to colledge then I would have proubly been another ass sitting at home thinking my life is the hardest in the world. If you only stay in one place all your life then you don't see anything clearly as you should, after joining the military I finally got my colledge degree along with my masters degree.
So if you think martial arts has no morals then its only you who has no morals.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Well that sounds civil!



*Imagines Hyakushi kicking a small Thai man in the balls and then doing an eye gouge!*

I am not doubting your skill, but did you fight him at a beachside bar in a small ring, or a similar place? There are bars and stuff near resort towns where tourists go and fight for fun, but the Thai guys get paid to loose on purpose. The white guys come to Thailand to have fun, and arnt going to be happy if they loose everything! They wont wnat to come back you know, bad for business.

... Or was it a street fight?

Hahahahahahaha! well life is always a surprize right

No it was only a street fight I wanted to test what Ive learned so far but I told them I don't fight in a cage its either a real fight or nothing. So they sent use outside and we had mui tai vs. Ninjustu. I fought 30 in a row and won all but they were too direct. They didn't try hiding what attack they were going to use.
I know I wouldn't last in the ring though cause well they have rules and I'm just not good at following rules . I fight to fight in my fights there are no rules.

[Lyric]

Truly, martial arts is a difficult concept. Many dwell on the violent or fighting aspect of them, but never really discover the reason or spiritual meaning behind them. I personally have spent almost two years researching and understanding a specific art that has intrigued and dwelled within my mind from an quite and early age. The martial art I speak of is Iaido, or otherwise known as kenjitsu. Although learning and understanding Hagakure and stances including Kata have done well for me, I wish to take the next step and learn the art to its fullest extent. This is difficult due to the fact that in Canada, more specifically the west coast, has very few Dojos and not many Sensei ( Seventh Dan ). I will be travelling to Japan this summer, though only for ten days, I plan to reach some conclusions on the topic.

If one could suggest, or offer any advice to the subject it would be appreciated.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

If you only practise Martial arts 2-3 times a week then you wouldn't match up against a person who has been training there life time.

If you're talking about the ring or tournament or whatever "field" you "play" on then of course I'll be no match for my opponent if he trains everyday.

In the same way, if you played for a social basketball team once or twice a week, you are almost certain to lose a game of one-on-one bball to an NBA player.

If you're talking about life or fighting on the street, then that's not only a ridiculous assumption to make, but a dangerous one.

As for disregarding the morals of martial arts? I don't. I respect the morals taught but they aren't unique to the martial arts either.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

What is wrong with a cage fight? ... Hmn, you know, there are restrictions in real life, as well as in the ring. I dont like the rules of most tournaments either. Like K1, no elbows. I am sure you can understand that is disheartening for Muay Thai fighter. But I do prefer the no eye gouge idea, or ball kicking. Those are pathetic moves used by cowards. But if you cant fight with restrictions and limitations imposed, then you cant fight at all. Saying like, I can only fight when it is this temperature, on this surface, in this place, and so on, life is not going to be so fair when reality presents itself in the form of a man who wants to kill you. I find the things you dislike the most are usually the most beneficial, as you cant become stronger from doing something you are already good at.

Tenchu when someone wants to kill you they will do it anyway they please in life there are no rules that is what a true fight is. They wont hit you in the balls but they will definitly stab your balls. Cage fights are okay but putting rules in a fight is just plain stupid, if you put rules on a fight your only trying to cover up your own weakness. I want to see if Mui Tai would keep its form in a real fight against Ninjustu but what use is ninjustu in a ring with rules if was ment to kill. Ive never used cheap blows such as ball punching but people do use them which is just reality, if your stupid enough to keep your balls open to attack then I guess your just not a good fighter at all right?, Its just common sense. I mean your suppose to think when your fighting

You lie. You mean 30 fights in a row? I remember in the Army once, we were non-tac for the night. We were running around stupid and makeing noise just for fun. In a training platoon of 50 men and boys, I organized a fight comp which about 20 people took part in and the others spectated. It was no hitting or permanent damage moves that would restrict the training we had tomorow, so, basically just wrestleing. Most the guys were not much trained fighters as I, so not many were too enthusiastic, and a lot afraid of looseing. So, whenever no one would fight, I would say, okay, who will take me on. I was in about every second fight out of about 30 fights. The goal was to force submission, or get unbelievable exhausted. I won about the first 3 or 4 I fought through forceing painful submission, but then lost every one there after. Fighting takes a lot of energy. It is like sprinting. You can only do it for about 2 or 3 min at full pace when well trained, and then you start to slow down a lot.

Sorry Hyakushi, but if what I think you are saying is what you are saying, I think you lie, explain better.

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NO!!! Not 30 in a row in one day hahahahaha I mean in a month I fought 30 martial artist in mui tai and won every one. I never tried beating 30 people in one day seeing how they always wanted to fight with rules. It took at least one whole day to convince each fighter to fight me out of a ring. I hope I explained that a bit better, I'm some what in pain right now so I may just try cutting to the point. I only beat 15 people in a row but that was only cause it was a tae kwon do tournament but thats just kitty play

[Godzirra]

My husband has been teaching Wing Chun Kungfu (yuen kay san), for over 16 years, and has been doing it for a long time.
He is also a powerlifter and competed for many years, still holds certain records and has accomplished alot in his past. He used to own his own teaching place, but shizzle happens.

At the last anime convention we went to, he did a demonstration on Wing Chun and also Tiger kungfu, which he did a beautiful job on.

If you google search "Michael Parriski", you will see alot of his articles on Wing Chun.

Some famous people that have done wingchun in their movies are, Jackie Chan (Rumble in the Bronx, but he did Yip Man style). Sammo Hung does alot of wingchun.

Here is a picture of him.

[Amnell]

Holy God.... Hyakushi, Tenchu, you guys are insane!

Tenchu... What's wrong with eye gouges and groin-shots? I suppose you would consider American Kenpo and Krav Maga to be cowardly martial arts...? If someone were threatening me, I wouldn't hesitate to strike any target that was available. This is also a (combative) way of the warrior--though it might not be an official principle of Bushido, it is essential. During my Kenpo lessons, my instructor heavily emphasized the idea of attacking whatever you can however you can. Krav maga actually encourages biting and hair pulling, I've heard (not to say that it relies on those techniques XD ) .

Hyakushi... If rules cramp your style, than you have a lot of work to do yet. I agree with you that sometimes a certain rule can be irritating, but it shouldn't be limiting to your ability.

As far as the morals thing goes... I have to disagree with Tenchu. There really isn't anything you learn from a martial art that you couldn't learn elsewhere. Yet, any kind of martial practice will be the best way to learn those principles. What martial arts REALLY gives you is not necessarily morals (or even ethics), but experience with a variety of situations. Morals and ethics, in my experience and readings, stem from the experiences.

Personally, I think you two are a little over-zealous, not unlike a pharasee out of the bible. There's nothing wrong with going to practice only 2-3 a week, you don't have to expect to die to win a fight, just because someone doesn't devote their entire being to becoming a martial artist doesn't mean they aren't a fighter or a warrior at heart. You two do these things, and that's totally fine--you have a lot more devotion than I do. But, for us mortals, it's not necessary to go that far.

[Lyric]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Holy God.... Hyakushi, Tenchu, you guys are insane!

Tenchu... What's wrong with eye gouges and groin-shots? I suppose you would consider American Kenpo and Krav Maga to be cowardly martial arts...? If someone were threatening me, I wouldn't hesitate to strike any target that was available. This is also a (combative) way of the warrior--though it might not be an official principle of Bushido, it is essential. During my Kenpo lessons, my instructor heavily emphasized the idea of attacking whatever you can however you can. Krav maga actually encourages biting and hair pulling, I've heard (not to say that it relies on those techniques XD ) .

Hyakushi... If rules cramp your style, than you have a lot of work to do yet. I agree with you that sometimes a certain rule can be irritating, but it shouldn't be limiting to your ability.

As far as the morals thing goes... I have to disagree with Tenchu. There really isn't anything you learn from a martial art that you couldn't learn elsewhere. Yet, any kind of martial practice will be the best way to learn those principles. What martial arts REALLY gives you is not necessarily morals (or even ethics), but experience with a variety of situations. Morals and ethics, in my experience and readings, stem from the experiences.

Personally, I think you two are a little over-zealous, not unlike a pharasee out of the bible. There's nothing wrong with going to practice only 2-3 a week, you don't have to expect to die to win a fight, just because someone doesn't devote their entire being to becoming a martial artist doesn't mean they aren't a fighter or a warrior at heart. You two do these things, and that's totally fine--you have a lot more devotion than I do. But, for us mortals, it's not necessary to go that far.

I agree with what you have to say, In truth you don't have to be be a master or purly devoted to fighting to be a warrior. The true measure of a warrior is not his/her skill, but the heart that guids it. If you fight to protect and to not kill, but defend. that is more powerful or impressive than mastery. But, one should never forget the purpose of any martial art.