Why did you want to learn Martial Arts?

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Warrior- Somebody who is proficient or engages in warfare

Soldier- A warrior who fights on behalf of something (a state, a nation, an organisation etc.)

Basically everything else you two add on in your own personal definitions means nothing outside of your mind. Stop trying to convince each other that you're right and the other is wrong.

Soldier- A warrior who fights on behalf of something...

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Soldier- A warrior who fights on behalf of something...

You agree or disagree? It's hard to tell with that smiley.

My case is that you can't be a soldier without being a warrior.

And just so you know I didn't pull that from my butt

From the net-

Warrior- someone engaged in or experienced in warfare (wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/)

Soldier- an enlisted man or woman who serves in an army; "the soldiers stood at attention"
serve as a soldier in the military
a wingless sterile ant or termite having a large head and powerful jaws adapted for defending the colony (wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/)

[Lyric]

Originally Posted by Amnell

Pretty close to how I see it... I simple word change should align it:

If you fight to protect and not to murder.

If I ever got into a serious fight--gun point robbery, home break in, anything of that nature--I would not hesitate to kill the guy if I thought it all necessary for my own well-being. But I would never use what I've learned to just go up to someone and simply kill them.

I'm not saying that I would quickly jump to lethal force. I'd rather disable the person--severely XD . Break an arm, kick the knee, scratch out an eye, stick a knife into their thigh and pull it down, etc. I DO jump to disabling force (and you can thank my kenpo instructor).

Entering a serious fight without the will to maim or kill your opponent is next to suicidal, unless you're absolutely certain that your opponent doesn't have that will. I learned this talking to a family friend from the USMC about my habit of carrying a knife with me everywhere. I didn't carry a knife again for several weeks until I was certain I'd be willing to use it against someone, lest, as he told me, "they take it away from ya and stick you with it."

Tournament fights should be approached from a very different mindset. This is where my issue with Tenchu and Hyakushi lies, mostly. I mean, there's serious and there's too serious.

You are right, their is a point in which we must draw a line for even ourselves. Killing is not a joke, it is not easy and there is no good in it either. This is why today, we all who participate in any martial are should realize that there are more important things in them than just fighting or causing pain.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Lyric

This is why today, we all who participate in any martial are should realize that there are more important things in them than just fighting or causing pain.

True... but the same goes for life in general. Why do you need to learn martial arts to learn this fact?

[Lyric]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

True... but the same goes for life in general. Why do you need to learn martial arts to learn this fact?

You do not, I was simply stating that martial arts was not designed to be for the "Brutal heart", as Tenchu stated earlier that it was. I joind martial arts for my own personal reason, You may have for a different one too.

Also, not every one learns this fact in general life. that is why the world is the way it is. we are all indaviduals, so what you might have learned someone may have not or the learned it differently. I am not saying that you learn this in general life or just only martial arts. You can learn the same ideal from any expirence, good or bad.

[Hyakushi]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I don't know why you're complaining about rules. You know that fighting with your bare fists is also a limitation you restrict yourself too. If I was in a street fight my first thought would be to find something that will give me an advantage over my opponent (or rather, in the case of a street fight, evens things up). A pool cue, a rock... anything.

Which makes it more surprising

[Hyakushi]

I'm hearing alot from you guys about killing in certain situations but have any of you actually been in such a situation?, I know Tenchu has, I have. Our hands have been washed in blood good and bad, the body is not as stronge as you people think it is. Sure you can build muscle but you can't harden your kidneys, bladder, or brain. Talking about something and actually doing or being in the situation is different. It sounds to me that you guys have been practising martial arts only for about 3 years tops.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Lyric

You do not, I was simply stating that martial arts was not designed to be for the "Brutal heart", as Tenchu stated earlier that it was. I joind martial arts for my own personal reason, You may have for a different one too.

Also, not every one learns this fact in general life. that is why the world is the way it is. we are all indaviduals, so what you might have learned someone may have not or the learned it differently. I am not saying that you learn this in general life or just only martial arts. You can learn the same ideal from any expirence, good or bad.

Ah... I see.

I misread the context you said it in. I completely agree.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Hyakushi

I'm hearing alot from you guys about killing in certain situations but have any of you actually been in such a situation?, I know Tenchu has, I have. Our hands have been washed in blood good and bad, the body is not as stronge as you people think it is......

...... It sounds to me that you guys have been practising martial arts only for about 3 years tops.

Seriously... enough with the "dick measuring".

I don't think anyone has said anything here that experience alone can account for.

And stop trying to hold our training (or your perceived lack of it) against us. At the moment I think the topic is the role of martial arts in the context of life in general. I don't think your (supposedly) more advanced ability and experience IN the martial arts makes you automatically more qualified to speak than any of us regarding this topic.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Seriously... enough with the "dick measuring".

I don't think anyone has said anything here that experience alone can account for.

And stop trying to hold our training (or your perceived lack of it) against us. At the moment I think the topic is the role of martial arts in the context of life in general. I don't think your (supposedly) more advanced ability and experience IN the martial arts makes you automatically more qualified to speak than any of us regarding this topic.

lol man, I choose not to reply to ignorant people. There's just no point.
If a person thinks they're too cool for school, let em.
Empty vessels make the most noise after all.