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01-10-2008, 03:32 AM

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I'm hearing alot from you guys about killing in certain situations but have any of you actually been in such a situation?, I know Tenchu has, I have. Our hands have been washed in blood good and bad, the body is not as stronge as you people think it is. Sure you can build muscle but you can't harden your kidneys, bladder, or brain. Talking about something and actually doing or being in the situation is different. It sounds to me that you guys have been practising martial arts only for about 3 years tops.
I don't belive this is worth arguing about, We have our reasons and they will stand the same. Wether one has or has not been faced with death or the choice of killing someone the point stands the same. No none can tell what is going to happen in the years to come. May we studie 3 or 10 years dose not matter, what matters is that we wishes to understand more about the practice we has choosen. Killing is such a hard and disterbing matter to discuss, I think it discussing it further will just cause more arguments.

So, if I have said anything to offend another, let it be know you have my apologies. But, don't assume that some are just talking about it.
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01-10-2008, 03:52 AM

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I'm hearing alot from you guys about killing in certain situations but have any of you actually been in such a situation?, I know Tenchu has, I have. Our hands have been washed in blood good and bad, the body is not as stronge as you people think it is. Sure you can build muscle but you can't harden your kidneys, bladder, or brain. Talking about something and actually doing or being in the situation is different. It sounds to me that you guys have been practising martial arts only for about 3 years tops.


Never actually in such a situation, no, but I have had instances where I thought someone was breaking into my home and I did run into the situation mentally prepared to cause bodily harm to someone. The danger was imagined, but nonetheless percieved and responded to with violent intent.

No, the body is not a sheet of iron. I know this quite well from my Tae Kwon Do and Kenpo classes where we trained to target specific pressure points, weak points, joints, organs, and major blood vessels. Muscle won't stop a knife, and it'll only absorb so much impact from something blunt.

Actually, I've been a martial artist for about five years. I started training in Tae Kwon Do in early 2002 and have studied and analyzed martial arts during the couple years between my TKD and Kenpo w/Escrima classes.


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But, that's always f-ed up individuals that kill in secluded areas up high in the mountains. Thats neither the army nor the governments agenda! I hope those people rott in hell, but an army or government shouldn't be judged by psycho individuals.
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01-10-2008, 07:01 AM

I learned Tae Kwon Do as a kid.... does that count? =D
I want to learn the martial arts of some crazy Chinese moves or something.
Just so I can look as cool as the people in Couching Tiger! xD (minus the flying...)
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01-10-2008, 07:26 AM

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That is why I said you dont know what respect an honor are. Respect is not something you give, it is something you are.

Hmm... I thought respect was something you earn. Pulling a gun on me doesn't earn you my respect. Nor does bashing on my people, for that matter -_-; .

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I wasnt being anti American, I was being honest. Half the fucken world hates you, do you not understand that? Are you going to hate them all back? And where exactley are you heading in your life? Some great fuckin quest of enlightenment you are on. You are an arrogant little girl who cant see the difference between simple things.
Oh, sure, you were being honest. Fine. Yes, we understand "half the fucken world" hates us. And you know what? That's fine. They hate us? It's probably because they don't have half the shit we have. And truth be told, you ask most people in the West, they will say they hate "American Leadership", not "America". And no, I don't hate them back. I'm sorry for them because they are not as fortunate as I was to have been born in a place that is as nice as America or any of the European countries (even if they are socialized over there :P ) . I'm not on a quest of enlightenment. After arguing with you, I'm pretty sure I've already been enlightened. My goals in life are to be the best person I can be. And I'm not an arrogant little girl, btw. I happen to be an adult and am NOT a girl. (There, it's out, for the first time since I started using this sn XD ) .

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think the one thing you will hear, if they can even bring themselves to talk about it, is they were darn scared.

You... just repeated me... That's the second time, now. You did the same thing in the Gaijin get out thread....

My point, since you obviously didn't get it, is that every warrior confronts death, and every good warrior overcomes. All those kids that stormed Normandy or Iwo Jima or whatever, or the kids that run out of the trenches, all had to contend with the idea that as soon as they run out, they are very likely to die. And they did it anyway. And know what? None of them (except the Japanese soldiers in WW2) knew a thing about Bushido. None of them obsessed about death. None of them dwelled on death to get an "iron heart" or whatever it's called. Yet they overcame their fear of death ANYWAY. That's called bravery, and it is about the most honourable thing I can think of.

Your view that you HAVE to follow Bushido or idolize death to be a "true warrior" is so incredibly narrow-minded I could shit myself laughing. It's asinine. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Bushido. It's your apparent lack of acceptance of other possibilities that has me in wriles.

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Dont talk about something you know nothing about.
Likewise. Stop talking about America or its people. Such arrogance.... *shakes head*

We done?

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Gr, looks like a paragraph got eaten by the internet gremlins :P

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A soldier does a job. That is why there is no "way" of the Warrior nowdays. You do your job, you get paid. It is like working at 7 eleven. The shit you are learning at your local club is for disrespectful cowards who afraid for their life and want to live, so they will do anything to stay alive.
A soldier does a job. Well, what was the job of the Bushi? Protect the Lord. Big difference there! Protect the lord, protect your country.... Hmm... Oh! And Samurai were paid, weren't they? Especially Ronin. Eh..?

My "local club" teaches all the shit that anyone who wants to be an effective and devestating fighting would want to know. Modern militaries the world over use cruise missiles because they can be launched from beyond the reach of the enemy. It's the same principle as parrying a strike to your opponent's inside so that you can strike but they can't.

I'm not afraid for my life. I don't fear for my life. I fight for my life. If I lose it, I died trying to preserve it. I won't allow myself to be killed so easily. My life is precious. And I have a natural right to my own life. I won't let anyone interfere with it, I won't let anyone threaten it. My life, having it be the best it can for me, is my ultimate goal in life. I won't let anyone else get in my way.

This is my philosophy (and that of many other people): Every man has his life and is entitled to live it how he sees fit. To live a great life is the ultimate achievement. Therefore, live every day how you want your whole life to be (not unlike Bushido, no?). No man has any right to the life of another man; he must live his OWN life for HIMSELF. He cannot demand that another man give over part or all of his life for His own personal gain. By the same reasoning, no other man has a right to the first man's life.

No one may ask me to commit seppuku on their behalf. No one may threaten me or my existence; I will fight back. No one may infringe upon my rights without due consequence.

For me, it's not about "staying alive". It's about protecting what is mine by right: my own life. Threatening my life is a threat against my rights, and I will NOT stand for it.


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But, that's always f-ed up individuals that kill in secluded areas up high in the mountains. Thats neither the army nor the governments agenda! I hope those people rott in hell, but an army or government shouldn't be judged by psycho individuals.

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01-10-2008, 11:20 AM

I actually read all of those passages rather recently.

The symbol somewhat resembles the one used by Escrimadors to represent all possible ways to attack.

You keep talking about the heart, compromising, etc. Having a heart of stone or of iron doesn't have to mean that it cannot move. If you apply force to a stone, does it not move? Does iron not vibrate upon impact?

These things don't mean that the given materials lose their mettle or quality. Only that they do not go completely unaffected. Not every compromise is of the heart.

The compromise of one child for an entire civilization isn't a compromise of the heart. It's a compromise of numbers. In this instance, a heart of stone would be able to look the child in the eyes and still give the word. Though, I suppose if you value death, the larger death toll might be desirable.

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It must be remembered that an attack on the home or family of an enemy was common among the Warriors. Any vulnerability of the enemy could be taken advantage of. In addition, since the Samurai warrior was based in a clan of tradition and standing in warfare, destruction of his family would cut the roots of the Samurai and prevent revenge by future offspring of that family.
"The Samurai: The Philosophy of Victory" Robert T. Samuel.

The ancient Bushi evidently had no problem with killing children when it served their purpose.

Power is such a subjective term.... To a warrior, power can be the ability to end a fight, or it can be to avoid a fight (Kenpo as opposed to Aikido, for example). Any number of things. But, since we're talking about the heart, I'm assuming that it's willpower, mostly, that we're talking about. Nothing can overcome a strong heart--where there's a will, there's a way--indominatable spirit. It's one's ability to take a severe hit and still keep going. One's ability to confront all that he fears most without so much as blinking. I agree, one can have no greater power than this.

What I'm not understanding, though, is this: We all die. Time, disease, a traffic accident, war, whatever. Why is it a great revelation when one realizes this?

Hmm, actually... I can see how the thought might be emboldening to someone who is about to face a lethal situation. Still. I wouldn't go into a battle thinking, "Well, I'm going to die someday, anyway." I would go in thinking, "I know what I'm fighting for and why, and it is worth my life--should it be necessary." Or at least I would rather think that... o_O hehe n_n;; .

I always liked how General Patton put it: "Don't die for your country, make your enemy die for his!" Why should I die? I mean, if it happens, it happens. I'd rather it not, but hey. If it does happen, I will have taken at least a dozen of my enemies with me.

Your devotion is admirable, if frustrating XD . I think I am starting to at least start to see what you're thinking, though :P .


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But, that's always f-ed up individuals that kill in secluded areas up high in the mountains. Thats neither the army nor the governments agenda! I hope those people rott in hell, but an army or government shouldn't be judged by psycho individuals.
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Hyakushi, I am finished on this forum, it is full of retards and I am sick of argueing this basic shit to these people. Good luck to you ah, dont die, be strong, and kill as many as you can beofre they kill you, k. Just remember in a fire fight, three things that will help you win: Speed, aggression and brutality. Bye.[/color]
Q_Q aw man. . . your just abandoning your comrade Hahaha just playing yea I'm just trying to keep the conversation more intresting but people are taking my comments a little too personally >_> hehe.

Well Best of Luck Tenchu


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01-10-2008, 04:46 PM

I've recently taken up Aikido as a form of defense, simply becuase I wanted something to do. Going to try and take up both Kobudo and Kenjutsu at a later date.



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Seriously... enough with the "dick measuring".

I don't think anyone has said anything here that experience alone can account for.

And stop trying to hold our training (or your perceived lack of it) against us. At the moment I think the topic is the role of martial arts in the context of life in general. I don't think your (supposedly) more advanced ability and experience IN the martial arts makes you automatically more qualified to speak than any of us regarding this topic.
Well I do teach Tea Kwon Do and soon I will be teaching Ninustue in the military, alot of younger people are coming in thinking battle is like a video game. They talk exactly like you kids on this site but they don't last long in battle cause of there state of mind. Ronin I'm not trying to be demanding of your intell, to me your just repeating what we all know already but what I am saying is we all grew up in different times. We train differently and so, people with more experience know more its just common sense . Thinking about something is way easier than actually doing what you say your going to do.

Like Amnell, she said she would defend herself but not kill the guy. So what if she drop kicks him and he hits his head against a counter or a table in her home. The brain is defencless and so he dies.

When you guys actually grow up and start seeing things from another point of veiw then you will know there are many ways to go exsept from forward and back.

I was only asking how long you guys have been practicing not competitively, I mean why be competitive on a computer? Hahahahahahahahaha thats just stupid Hahahahahahahaha.


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I've recently taken up Aikido as a form of defense, simply becuase I wanted something to do. Going to try and take up both Kobudo and Kenjutsu at a later date.
Kenjustu is awsome are you going to have a sword made or are you going to make your own sword?.


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. Killing is such a hard and disterbing matter to discuss, I think it discussing it further will just cause more arguments.
It really isn't which is the point I'm making, killing is just what people do, its nothing taboo only to those who don't want to open there eyes to what the real world is.


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