Women in Japan

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I think what kunitokotachi was saying is that we need both parents to raise children, and it should be irrelevant if a woman is better with children or not. Some men turn out to be better than women in this regard. It shouldn't always be "up to the mother" and women should be allowed to make the choice of whether or not she wants to pursue a career, or be stuck raising a family. In all honesty, it's not fair that women are faced with such choices and men aren't. Men should have to face the same responsibilities that a mother has to where child raising is concerned. Not all women are cut out to be the type to stay at home and raise children.

No I agree with you. Also though, you are given the cards you are given. If you are a woman, you are MADE to have kids. You are MADE to have mood swings and cramps and menopausal problems and so on. Its something you deal with whether you want babies or not.
You can say it isn't fair that women are given such choices, (when men aren't) till you're red in the face and i'll agree, it definitely isn't. I mean hell, i've taken the heat because of my mothers menopause and ex-girlfriend/girlfriend pms issues so I wish just as much that these things didnt exist!
But they do.
This is why these "unfair" choices are a part of life.

[SSJup81]

But it also shouldn't be expected for a woman to just have children either. Yeah, we're made to "have children", but we shouldn't have them if we don't want to. It seems we both agree on that point, though. It's like me and my ex. He's the type to settle down and start a family. I'm definitely not. I don't even have the desire to get married. I want to adopt a child, not have one.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

But it also shouldn't be expected for a woman to just have children either. Yeah, we're made to "have children", but we shouldn't have them if we don't want to. It seems we both agree on that point, though. It's like me and my ex. He's the type to settle down and start a family. I'm definitely not. I don't even have the desire to get married. I want to adopt a child, not have one.

Hm well i'm sure your reasons are personal so I won't delve. It still makes me curious as to why you wouldn't want a child. This could cause friction with a lot of partners unless you wait and find someone who shares the same viewpoint.
Even so, adopting a child is hardly a bad thing.

[kurezi]

Originally Posted by Mihoko

As a middle aged Japanese woman who has husband and two boys, yes. Japanese women are expected to be stuck to their homes with children. But this does not mean Japanese women are treated as "INFERIOR" one.

In Christianity, a woman was created from part of a man by GOD who is also a man. But in Japanese myth, it is a woman (goddess) who created everything. From mountains, human beings and animals.. everything came out of her wombs! sounds fun?

Of course, no Japanese people in 21st century beblieves this as a true story, but this myth story suggests that Japanese men (mostly farmers) have respected and terrified women. We have no histroy to be taught that women are inferior and have to be protected. Housewives in Japan are not treated as inferior ones, and most Japanese husbands fear (rather love) their wives. That's why most Japanese wives choose to stay at home since their homes are rather confortable.

Girls in Japanese anime seem to be (Japanese) boys' dreams who want women to be cute and pretty but can protect boys in case like their mothers.

What an informative post!
Thank you for your perspective. I really didn't know that.

[kunitokotachi]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

lets see, we need peer-reviewed STUDIES to see whats in front of us these days. How ENLIGHTENED of you. Omg, you are just too much. Telling me to silence because I didn't do a study and dismissing my claim? Wow you're such a professional kiddo ;o What would the world do without your oh-so-moral ethical righteousness!

Women aren't better suited to raising kids? Seriously, have you done a peer reviewed study to find out how kids without BOTH parents turn out? My point was valid because NATURALLY a MOTHER in NATURE brings up her offspring and instills a lot of positive qualities that are not instilled by the FATHER. If you deny this, then you are the most short sighted pseudo scientist i've ever come across.
Also what has a natural process of all HUMANITY just got to do with JAPAN?! It is WELL KNOWN that Japan has a population crisis. Do I really need to make a freaking professional citation on a forum just so YOU can understand?!

Just wow. Your short sightedness makes me sad.

well, first of all I am going to apologize for cursing you out. As you can see all we ended up doing was enter into a shit talking contest and is not leading us any closer understanding the issue at hand which is gender roles in regards to parenting. So like I say again, I humbly apologize for letting it go this far. However, you did come out of left field accusing me of going off on a tangent. Now, yes women are the ones who give birth; I agree. Women also breast feed throughout infancy; well some rather get the baby formula from stores. Now, I am inclined to agree that the bond with a child and it's mother throughout infancy can create some positive reinforcement that would otherwise be missed it had not happened; it seems logical right? Now, it was unfair of you to accuse me of being a psuedo scientist (although I was impressed when you brought that up because I don't think I know many people who would actually know what that means) because you have to understand where I'm coming from. I have learned to stop automatically believing what I see before my eyes and through experience to be the most rational possible explanation for everything. Before my college experience I would have agreed that mothers may produce the best possible much needed positive reinforcement that the child needs. However, although it might be true during infancy what about when the child starts going to grade school. Isn't the parenting role pretty much up for grabs? Couldn't a father from that point on do just as good a job? The reason why peer-reviewed research is so great is because it approaches all possible variables using the scientific method and provides us with empirical validity. Let me ask you these questions then you see where I'm coming from. I hope I am able to explain myself in a coherent manner.

1. What do you say about same sexed couples who are able to raise children just as good or better than those families with the traditional housewife raising the children? For example 2 guys who adopt a child.

2. What do you think about a father who has to raise his child alone because the mother died at childbirth and he is able to do it just as good or better than those families with the traditional housewife?

3. What do you think about the traditional housewife who does an acceptable job of raising her child yet the child still ends up being a criminal or "messed up" for a lack of a better term?

4. What about the single mother problem? Children have a better chance of being successful and nurtured in a two parent family right? So, it isn't just mother power or father power alone right?

As far as Japan's population problem? Japan is already too crowded to begin with. Now, if there population does start decreasing to an extreme point because women want to stop having babies then a solution may be growing test-tube babies in a laboratory.

[Amnell]

This according to the CIA's little "factbook" they keep online:

Population Growth Rate: -0.088% (2007 est.)

Birth Rate: 8.1 births/1,000 population (2007 est.)

Death Rate: 8.98 deaths/1,000 population (2007 est.)

( https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...ja.html#People )

So, given that these are accurate, I'm wondering... How is a decline of less than .1% a cause for enough concern for a bunch of Gaijin to have a heated argument over the role of Japanese women in their society?

Now, I don't know what the trend has been for population growth, but if it's been <.1% in the last ten years.... That's tiny.

Japan's population right now is 127,433,494 (July 2007 est.) . To drop to 50 million, as some have claimed, it would take a little longer than 2050 -_-; . Well, I shouldn't say that because I didn't do the math, but that large of a drop would seem to take a lot longer than has been suggested.

Oh, also for the record, according to the CIA, there are actually (slightly) more women than men in Japan ! And here the other day my sister was telling me that they still abort female babies so they can have boys instead--I told her that's only in China, now, and less now than it was even 20 years ago, but I couldn't back it up :P . Ha, now I can back myself up with the friggen' C.I.A. . But this is all an aside, so I must apologize for making you read all the 'irrelevant' data ^_^;;; .

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Hm well i'm sure your reasons are personal so I won't delve. It still makes me curious as to why you wouldn't want a child.

Because there are too many children out here who need homes. I've actually wanted to adopt since I was a child myself. The idea of adoption has always been intriguing to me, since I find it more helpful.

This could cause friction with a lot of partners unless you wait and find someone who shares the same viewpoint.

I'm just being selfish with this. I really don't want to have a child biologically. I don't want to go through with it. I've always liked children, but never wanted to physically have any.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Amnell

So, given that these are accurate, I'm wondering... How is a decline of less than .1% a cause for enough concern for a bunch of Gaijin to have a heated argument over the role of Japanese women in their society?

'Cos it's FUN!

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

'Cos it's FUN!

Heh, can't argue with! XD

[CoolNard]

Incredible exchange of dialogue here. Priceless information. First time I've witnessed that 'much' insults in one thread. All the impressions that I've perceived are of fused destructive criticisms and discriminative accusations.

If I was a regular member, I would contemplate joining the argument myself and be confident of emerging victorious, from a totally different standpoint, prior to what's been raised. Point is: Your belligerent confrontation can, more than likely, potentially attract others like yourselves to participate, as conveniently demonstrated.

Just for the record, I intend to keep an exclusive eye on this thread. I'll intervene when I must, spectate when I desire, or even hang out over here, for the fun of it. I respect your rights as JF individuals and people who possess the ability to critically think before responding, in fact, I love it; have all your heated arguments, for as much as you want, but I want an "in with the facts", and "out with the insults" principle involved, hear?

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CoolNard