Bruce Lee

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I dont have a life, you guys have jobs. I just wanne fight. So yeah, keep up with your part time training and give it 100% while you are there and you will be a champion amongst civis! Bruce, though, claimed not to be an innocent, not a civi, and he is another story.

I think you mis-understand me and my "part-time" training. I train every day, whether that be direct Kung Fu or just going to the gym when there are no sessions. I also have a job and study and do a lot of other things at the same time but I do take training quite seriously. Don't assume to place me in a stereotype which you are familiar with.
I don't want to be like Bruce Lee but he is one of the inspirations for me acquiring strength. I wish he was still around so I could have seen more of his talents.

[Alastor]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

I think you mis-understand me and my "part-time" training. I train every day, whether that be direct Kung Fu or just going to the gym when there are no sessions. I also have a job and study and do a lot of other things at the same time but I do take training quite seriously. Don't assume to place me in a stereotype which you are familiar with.
I don't want to be like Bruce Lee but he is one of the inspirations for me acquiring strength. I wish he was still around so I could have seen more of his talents.

He's Chinese, I don't think he has that many other talents.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Alastor

He's Chinese, I don't think he has that many other talents.

If I go along with that stereotype, there are so many other things the Chinese are good at

[Alastor]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

If I go along with that stereotype, there are so many other things the Chinese are good at

I hope you know what I meant by "talent"

But yeah, it's common consensus that it doesn't matter how good you are at something because there will always be a Chinese who is better than you at it.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Alastor

I hope you know what I meant by "talent"

But yeah, it's common consensus that it doesn't matter how good you are at something because there will always be a Chinese who is better than you at it.

Hmm well, I personally don't take those stereotypes too seriously, especially of certain "talents".

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Many people have reputation in one sense or another. I would not consider this a Warriors rep. I dont call a world class Wushu artist a Warrior, they dont even train to fight anymore, just to look good.

I was talking specifically about tearing mens guts out with your fists. Nothing else. Something Bruce Lee claimed was baseless to practice in a ring. I dont agree. Tournament fighting is the next step on sparring. If Bruce disliked either of these things then he did not train realistically.

Well Bruce always sparred. He just didn't fight in the ring that much. The idea being that fighting in the ring makes you restricted to the rules of the particular sport you are competing in (Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling etc...).

[Alastor]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Is this speaking from experience here? Or is this the philosophy your Karate teacher told you as an excuse for being lazy? Actually, my old Kung Fu teacher DID tell me this. He said there was little point in full time training because you can only obsorb so much information at once! What an idiot, I dont believe people can actually believe that a guy who practices 3 times a week stands a chance against a full time practitioner... Now, there is such thing as effective training, and one day of useless training is not as good as one hour of good training, however, one day of good training is better than one hour of good training. Your body can recover, get stronger, and there are many types of good exersizes that can be done to consume your day without wrecking your body. The key you are looking for is effective training + time. Time matters, hence the very meaning of Kung Fu.

Your know-it-all attitude failed now, I'm afraid. I have no karate teacher. Never had, either. I think Karate, as a fighting art, is stupid. It is true you can only absorb so much information at once, although this has nothing to do with honing your skills. You already know them making them better isn't absorbing more information, it's letting the knowledge grow within you. And yes, if you look at your body and muscles, you can't practise non-stop. You need your eight hours of sleep, you need t let your body rest during and after eating, you need to let those muscles rebuild, etc. This is why you sleep Tenchu, and have time to hang around JapanForum, play videogames, drink beer and eat pizza. I never said time doesn't matter, but it doesn't matter as much a being effective. Once you're effectiv, time is only how much willpower you have to keep on going, and how long before you feel you've had enough training. And these are all factor determined by your focus and determination, not time.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Firstly, as Musashi said, a Warrior must learn to turn his attitude in an instant so he is constantly ready. I need about 1 second for mental prep, and I am about as angry as a burning bull. Warm ups are okay, but only old men truly need them. Most skills can be done well without warm ups, this is not a big thing. Catching a man off gaurd is good. I will give you that. God forbid an assassin determines the best time to hit me is at 2100 at night, when I am bloated with pizza and drunk from beer! Yes, surprise is good. My teacher, Musashi, however, was never off gaurd. He would even not bathe for fear of been caught naked and exposed by an enemy. I think though he did bathe sometime, in secluded rivers and streams in the wilderness, I doubt he NEVER did, but, still, you see how men can train to be constantly ready. Musashi, also, was a duel fighter. Like a tournament, where you are given time to warm up and psyche up, but there are no rules in the actual fight, he killed ALL his opponents.

I see in competitions all the time where these guys sit around for X amount of time warming up in the locker rooms, and then they get to stand in front of their opponent and mentally preare to fight THAT individual before the fight begins. Very different from eating a sundae wearing jeans and a shirt, and then suddeny realizing you have to fight this guy who wants to stab you to death. Usually, half the fight is won before the fight.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Well, I was not inuslting you. I dunno, I just assume most you guys do just small 3 nights a week training or something, coz you all students or got jobs.

You need to stop assuming so much, then.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

This is a common thought, so I am going to give you the exception that you have pretty much just quoted what you have heard, and not thought it through in great detail. Do you really believe this? Really?

Yes, being in a ring with rules does bloody restrict you, period. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that a real fight is different from a competitive sports fight.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I train Muay Thai mostly, but just because I am bound by rules do you think on the street I dont know how to kick the balls, throat, or gouge the eyes? I think every serious fighter might train with rules, but only a fool is eternally bound by them.

I think a Ninjutsu or Judo practitioner know plenty more grappling, throwing and locking techniques/principles than you do. Not counting the techniques that require your opponent wearing a Gi. So, just a question. When you practice, how often do you practice against a live target? After all, pads and wooden dolls don't fight back.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

So, I would love to train only for real fighting, and then duel like Musashi did. But where the fuck will I get money? Tournament fighting is a legitamite profession, one that will allow me to continue to train martial skills full time, as was the Army. And in the case of Muay Thai, the only reason there are rules is because all the fighters kept dieing or being permanently injured, so rules came into play to help allow the sport to flourish, and people not to die so much. The old way was to get into a ring and just fight to the death, no breaks, no ref, last man standing.

Funny, what happens when you're the one who ends up dead? The very concept of me willingly having a job where there is a 50-50 chance of me dying is just aburd. I'm expecting to live another 60 years, I wouldn't want to miss out 50 of those.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

The fact remains, the best fighter will be the one who trains the most. The one who trains the most is the one who has the time and money to do it, the one who has the time and money to do it is the one who makes money from doing it. And every fuckin Muay Thai fighter or BJJ dude or MMA fighter or whatever, they know how to fight dirty, they are not stupid.

So, whoever told you what you said is plain dumb, k.

No. Whoever has the greatest skills is the best fighter. If AAA trains 10 hours a week and BBB trains 20 hours a week, but AAA's training is more efective and AAA's 10 hours serves AAA better than BBB's 20 hours serves BBB. Thus, AAA will beat BBB.


Tenchu, from what I've gathered, you're a serious Muay Thai practitioner. You want to fight, and you also think that tournament fighting is a good way to earn money, to support you so you can keep on fighting. The thing is, why are you practising Muay Thai? Why don't you just practice fighting, period? I know Muay Thai is very close to that, but why restrict yourself? Actively practicing everything makes everything easier. Sure you can gouge eyes, but can you swiftly and with accuracy do it? What about pressure points, grappling, ground fighting, etc.?

[yuujirou]

Originally Posted by Alastor

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Tenchu, from what I've gathered, you're a serious Muay Thai practitioner. You want to fight, and you also think that tournament fighting is a good way to earn money, to support you so you can keep on fighting. The thing is, why are you practising Muay Thai? Why don't you just practice fighting, period? I know Muay Thai is very close to that, but why restrict yourself? Actively practicing everything makes everything easier. Sure you can gouge eyes, but can you swiftly and with accuracy do it? What about pressure points, grappling, ground fighting, etc.?

there are purists...
then there are mma >.>'''

this one ish purist though x]
preferring to stick to just shaolin ^_^

[Alastor]

Nah, I think I can see your point. So any disagreements between us is basically only a matter of opinion, nothing else, I don't think we need to continue on that anymore. It's just that in the times when you're not the warrior in the field, you're human just like us. The rules of politeness still applies, and assuming you're better than anyone without any basis is ... well... usually not a good thing.

With that said, I think we should get back on topic. Bruce Lee.

I think his philosophy (Jeet Kune Do) is pretty spot-on. But he was a fairly cocky person himself - if you believe the stories told by people who have interacted with him. I am a strong believer of being humble, strong and fair.

Tenchu, just to make it clear... can you make yourself angry just like hat? I know I could psyche myself up in no time, but in a tournament fight, it's like, you shake hands before and after the fight (if able), and I can't fathom myself being angry at this person who hasn't done anything to me before. I could see myself, owever, feeling a determination to overcome the opponent.

As for the adaptation, I was smply asking because I wasn't sure. Glad to see you haven't narrowed yourself down to just Muay Thai. Not that I'm discrediting the sport, it's THE best sport to practice if you want to fight like the warriors did in the old das when they were unarmed. I personally wanted to start Muay Thai and went to a few training sessions but the trainer couldn't communicate (or even speak the language), and it all felt rather... lame. Plus my body physique wouldn't allow me to practice Muay Thai (I'm far too skinny, believe me).

Ah, I almost got an urge to start practicing a martial art again... it feels to good to knock some wood (and people). I just need to put on some weight.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

This is a common thought, so I am going to give you the exception that you have pretty much just quoted what you have heard, and not thought it through in great detail. Do you really believe this? Really?

I train Muay Thai mostly, but just because I am bound by rules do you think on the street I dont know how to kick the balls, throat, or gouge the eyes? I think every serious fighter might train with rules, but only a fool is eternally bound by them.

Believe me, if this were the old days in a country like Japan, I would have submitted myself to a Lord when I was 14 and given my life to fighting in realism for life and death. But this is not those days. I joined the Army but got booted after 9 months. There are few professions a man who wishes the title of Warrior can take. Bruce took one, an actor, showing your skills on TV. Another is the Army, I tried it, but got kicked out for argue with police. Another is a teacher, but I think that is for older men to teach. So I am choosing tournament fighter.

So, I would love to train only for real fighting, and then duel like Musashi did. But where the fuck will I get money? Tournament fighting is a legitamite profession, one that will allow me to continue to train martial skills full time, as was the Army. And in the case of Muay Thai, the only reason there are rules is because all the fighters kept dieing or being permanently injured, so rules came into play to help allow the sport to flourish, and people not to die so much. The old way was to get into a ring and just fight to the death, no breaks, no ref, last man standing.

The fact remains, the best fighter will be the one who trains the most. The one who trains the most is the one who has the time and money to do it, the one who has the time and money to do it is the one who makes money from doing it. And every fuckin Muay Thai fighter or BJJ dude or MMA fighter or whatever, they know how to fight dirty, they are not stupid.

So, whoever told you what you said is plain dumb, k.

Like I said... Bruce sparred realistically so you can rest assured that he trained a lot and trained for realism. Bruce jumping in the Muay Thai, Boxing or Karate ring would be silly because it WOULD restrict HIM. I don't think he despised or looked down on fighters that entered the ring either. In fact one of his favourite fighters was Muhammed Ali and much of his punching techniques come from boxing.

Also Bruce's philosophy on fighting was his legacy rather than his ability. Though Bruce's martial ability was amazing. I don't know why you can't accept that and stop with this "dick measuring" that you're doing at the moment.