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04-21-2008, 09:07 AM

SO what if they were!! - good on them i say - at least they got paid !!


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I once wrote an essay in English on that question, but I don't think you wanna read 1500 words on that. *lol*
I had different sources, but the result was mainly that: Geisha are entertaining women (gei = art; sha = person). In the Tokugawa-jidai there were rules which forbade them to get too close to a customer. And today a real geisha-education is so expensive, that it doesn't seem very logical to me that they are just prostitutes.
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04-21-2008, 01:58 PM

There are many types of geisha. Some of them sell their body for money, those are called shomben geisha or yujo, also referred to as shirōto (non professional). There's also the odoriko kind, which are the ones specialized in dance, and so on.


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04-21-2008, 03:04 PM

Geishas were NOT prostitutes. Geisha means Artist, and someone who holds such a title would never participate in such acts. The book Memoirs of A Geisha by Arthur Golden shows very well what Geishas were like, and what they did.

It was against their beliefs. Geisha who sold their bodies only did so to gain more fame, but it was a pathetic method, and those who did were looked down upon.

Mostly they would be seem moving in pairs and going to tea houses and so on.

They would play music, dance, and keep the men company, by talking with them, pouring them drinks etc.

Calling them prostitutes is a bit extreme. Most of them never stooped to such levels.

(I can say all this proudly, because Mr. Golden wrote his book by interviewing actual Geishas in Japan.)

EDIT: I didn't know there were different kinds of Geisha, the book didn't reveal such information, but back when Geishas started, they were an example of what I explained above. Any other kinds were imitations.
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WHoa! I was scared for a moment, thought you were going yp destroy the thread. Everytime you post, I think that.


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04-21-2008, 07:03 PM

Kanji, You shouldn't base all your opinions on what Arthur Golden wrote... afterall, Memoirs of a geisha is a fictional story, even if he did his research to write the novel. That means, he would have left things out and would have added thing... Of course, I'm not implying that Geisha's were prostitutes, I am simply pointing out that you shouldn't be so confident about yourself when you base your information on a fictional story!

I suggest you read Geisha of Gion by M Iwasaki. A.Golden based a lot of his book on the info this woman gave him, but surprisingly, her account differs greatly from that of Memoirs of a Geisha... So if you wanna base your opinion on a good read book, I'd suggest this one, as it's her autobiography.

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There are many types of geisha. Some of them sell their body for money, those are called shomben geisha or yujo, also referred to as shirōto (non professional). There's also the odoriko kind, which are the ones specialized in dance, and so on.
Ah ha.

I knew it!

People over here jumping on me for making a small suggestion. >>
Thanks for the peice of info Suki.


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Geishas were NOT prostitutes. Geisha means Artist, and someone who holds such a title would never participate in such acts. The book Memoirs of A Geisha by Arthur Golden shows very well what Geishas were like, and what they did.

It was against their beliefs. Geisha who sold their bodies only did so to gain more fame, but it was a pathetic method, and those who did were looked down upon.

Mostly they would be seem moving in pairs and going to tea houses and so on.

They would play music, dance, and keep the men company, by talking with them, pouring them drinks etc.

Calling them prostitutes is a bit extreme. Most of them never stooped to such levels.

(I can say all this proudly, because Mr. Golden wrote his book by interviewing actual Geishas in Japan.)

EDIT: I didn't know there were different kinds of Geisha, the book didn't reveal such information, but back when Geishas started, they were an example of what I explained above. Any other kinds were imitations.
There's a difference between a stripper and a whore.
So does that mean that strippers that are whores are imitations as well?


And they do indeed prostitutes themselves in Memories of geisha ( Gah one my favorite movies and books. Eeee I love it. )
Like when Sayuri paid back her debt.
That's prostitution.
Yea, she's not blowing men behind allys but she still sold her body for money.
Besides. Most movies/books are made with the writers interviewing and looking up info. But they rather write about the less boring side. Even the history channel is inaccurate. They're entertaining not teaching.



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04-21-2008, 09:41 PM

GEISHA AREN'T WHORES/HOOKERS/PROSTITUTES

(Geisha's aren't : yujo, oiran or tayu)

Geisha are for entertaining. They are beautiful and sometimes not it depends on the person you ask for.
Geisha are artists and can play nice Shamisen.
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You're welcome Eve

Kanji, I don't think Arthur Golden's novel is the best source to base your opinions on. He was actually sued by Mineko Iwasaki, the geisha he interviewed before writing his book, for defamation of character or something. Besides, his was a fictional story: he was telling a story, not explaining what life as a gesiha's like.

I insist, if you wanna get some reliable knowledge on the matter, read Liza Dalby's Geisha. She was the first non-Japanese woman to become a geisha and she knows what she's talking about.

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Like when Sayuri paid back her debt.
That's prostitution.
Sayuri...? Wasn't it her sister Satsu? Or do you mean like in the end of the book when Sayuri agrees to have sex with... whatever it's the name of the man she's having sex with when she gets caught by the Chairman? Oh well, that's after WWII; most geishas had to become prostitues during the postwards days of 40ies/50ies. But originally, being a gesiah did not imply having to have sex with the clients.


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04-22-2008, 03:51 PM

I don't know if any of you have seen Sweeney Todd but one of the lines from judge Turpin:

"The Geishas of Japan, Concubines of Siam, Harlots of India, All the things a man could dream about doing to a woman. I have pictures would you like to see?"

So thats wrong I take it? Well thats what I get for thinking.


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