Obama vs. McCain

[Asakura]

I haven't I said I think we might be going into another Great Depression.

I'm actually agreeing with you.

[Ronin4hire]

I really don't understand it when people highlight the negative aspects of America in order to bolster their own national pride.

It seems so hypocritical... they exaggerate one to exaggerate the other.

If I highlight the negatives of any country other than my own it's because I have something to say on it regarding MY principles.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

Oh my!!!... It's really that expensive in America!!! I wouldn't be able to survive over there then. Here in France, I have an insurance for $300 per year (the most expensive choice). With this, I have all medical visits (seing doctors, dentists etc) refunded 100%, same with all prescription medicine etc... If I didn't have the insurance, last year, I would have spent $5k. But because of insurance, it only cost me $300. With what you described about America, I don't think I could afford it, and I don't see how most of the middle class can either

I pay almost that much A MONTH, and our family is experiencing some medical situations (thankfully not life-threatening) that I must pay 100% for because it doesn't fall within our "plan". So for the last several months I have been paying 270 dollars a month for insurance that doesn't cover the 500 to 1500 dollars a month I am paying in actual medical fees.

And then the presidents of these insurance companies are paid millions of dollars a year in CHRISTMAS BONUSES.

Hmmm....

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I really don't understand it when people highlight the negative aspects of America in order to bolster their own national pride.

It seems so hypocritical... they exaggerate one to exaggerate the other.

If I highlight the negatives of any country other than my own it's because I have something to say on it regarding MY principles.

I am not sure what you mean.

I am highlighting our problems to show America needs a change in leadership.

[Asakura]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I really don't understand it when people highlight the negative aspects of America in order to bolster their own national pride.

It seems so hypocritical... they exaggerate one to exaggerate the other.

If I highlight the negatives of any country other than my own it's because I have something to say on it regarding MY principles.

I love America, don't take me wrong. But I'm a realist this is what americans are concerned about. It's not that I don't like or love my country. If that where the case I woulden't care. I want to see America do well. But in order for that to happen, these isuused have to be talked about and adressed.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

I am not sure what you mean.

I am highlighting our problems to show America needs a change in leadership.

My last post wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at those that say things like "America is so racist... In France this would never happen"

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

My last post wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at those that say things like "America is so racist... In France this would never happen"

I don't know what your problem is with me, but you really keep fucking up whenever you try to pick at me... I said in France it is WORSE... I suggest you start reading more carefuly and not having a prejudgment/assumptions about what I'm about to say!

Oh, and another thing. I AM NOT FRENCH! So I'm not trying to make this country sound any nicer than the US

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by noodle

I don't know what your problem is with me, but you really keep fucking up whenever you try to pick at me... I said in France it is WORSE... I suggest you start reading more carefuly and not having a prejudgment/assumptions about what I'm about to say!

Oh, and another thing. I AM NOT FRENCH! So I'm not trying to make this country sound any nicer than the US

Fair enough I messed up. But whatever, my point still stands which is why I avoided quoting you directly.

BTW- Stop taking things so personally.

[Paul11]

Originally Posted by MMM

Again with the "suspicious". None of the anti-Obama folk will explain what there "suspicions" are. Just that he is "suspicious" and "shady" (two words used on this thread).

If you want to call him a socialist in terms that he thinks all people should have access to at least a certain level of basic services, then yes, I would agree.

Rebublicans use the word "socialism" as a equal to "communism" and it confuses people.

There is an effort to institute socialized medicine in the US. Socialized medicine is the standard for most industrialized nations in the world. Japan, UK, Canada, France, most of Europe, most of Asia is socialized medicine. The US is not. We have to pay incredible insurance costs that generally do not actually pay when a real crisis happens.

Why don't they pay? Because health care is so expensive.

Why is health care so expensive? Because the lawsuit insurance the health care providers pay is so high, they have to charge that much.

Why is the lawsuit insurance so high? Because people are paying out-of-pocket for heathcare, and at these prices, if they don't get served perfectly, they sue.

Bottom line: Health care is a business in America when it shouldn't be.

Socialism Socialism Socialism...

We have socialized police forces. You don't have to have insurance to call the police in America. Call 911 and they will arrive.

We have socialized fire departments. You don't have to have insurance to have the right to call the fire department. Your house is on fire, they will come.

And yet, if you break your ankle trying to help a neighbor get a cat out of a tree you will expect to pay around 800 dollars...just for the ambulance ride to the hospital! That is before the ER entry fees...



[I repeat myself because blind people cannot see]

Obama has denounced his preacher. He has rejected his comments and is no longer a member of that church.

On the same subject:

McCain has denounced his preacher. He has rejected his comments and is no longer a member of that church.

Would you want to be held responsible for something someone else said?

I won't even go into how ignorant your implications of Obama supporting our enemies, just to save you the embarrassment.



Open up your eyes, my friend. America's economy is in the sh*tter. We are being forced to pay for a war we can't afford. Our allies are pulling out. unemployment jumped just this MONTH. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of jobs have been lost in America THIS QUARTER. Millions are losing thier homes to the mortgage crisis. Schools are firing teachers and librarians by the busloads. Our government gives tax breaks to corporations that are sending all their low-wage work to India and China. We used to fret about our trade imbalance with Japan 20 year ago over a few hundred million dollars. Our trade imbalance with China is in the billions! I haven't even mentioned gas prices.

So yes. We need a CHANGE. Americans want CHANGE. Obama will bring that to us. McCain won't.

Actually, I did mention the suspicous circumstances: SEE THE REZCO TRIAL.

His denunciations of the church are spurious and disingenuous. He can't have a personal friend and mentor for 20 years, sit in that person's church for 20 years, and say, "I never heard any of that."

Socialism is not equal to communism. No one said it was. that doesn't make it ok. Not all Americans confuse socialism with communism. Americas police and fire are not a socialist system.

You won't delve into his support of people who want to see us ruined, our enemies. Why not?

Yes other nations have socialized health care. And it usually stinks. Limited facilities in which people have to wait forever for treatment. the costs are related to inability for health insurers to compete and lawsuits. socialized medicine is not the answer. You want the government, which botches evertything, to control your health care?

You obviously know nothing about the housing crisis, which is not a crisis. We never dipped into recession. The fear mongers in the liberal media got your goat and you believed it. Most houses lost were not homes. they were houses bought as investments by people who over-reached. they are also the result of people using exotic loan plans to buy houses they could not afford. they signed paper-work that said the mortgage will rise in two to three years. They failed to refinance before the mortgage changes. It was greed, pure and simple.

You obviously don't own a house in california.

You obviously get your news from terrible sources.

Yet again you mention Obama's Change. never said what the change is going to be. He is an ultra left socialist, which is not what the U.S. is about.

His leftie supporters like you usually attempt to pretend you are on moral high ground and make dispariging little comments at me in your defense of Obama. Your eyes are closed very tight indeed.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

My last post wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at those that say things like "America is so racist... In France this would never happen"

Understood...thanks, Ronin. Lots of missiles firing right now.