Obama vs. McCain

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Paul11

I guess. Just felt like I was called a liar with that statement.

MMM states the press reports advances on the american side. Not true. The press is overwhelmingly left and don't regularly report such. Got to go to a source that is more proned to report such. Get away from CNN and the large papers.

You'd know if I called you a liar.

But please, stop misquoting me. When did I say "the press reports advances on the american side"? I said the news doesn't have a vested interested in hiding reports of thwarted terrorist attacks for the very reason that when attacks are thwarted, and it is made public, it is always headline news.

Now if the government is keeping this situations confidential, then, yeah, they won't make headlines. If you can't talk about them here, then you can't give them to news agencies. Therefore it doesn't get reported. I am not sure what the left-wing media has do to with that. You said yourself, information that you cannot share.

[Sangetsu]

There has been no objective reporting about Obama during this campaign season. He is the favorite of the media, and the internet, and it is they who helped most to get him the nomination. I've never seen such blatant nonsense in my life. 6 months ago they were saying there would be hell to pay if Obama won the popular vote in the primary, but lost due to the votes of the super delegates, but in the end, the opposite thing happened; Hillary won the popular vote, but the super delegates voted for Obama.

Some super delegates voted contrary to the will of their constituents, primary of which was governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico. Hillary won New Mexico in the primary, meaning the people chose her to be their candidate, but Bill Richardson gave his super delegate vote to Obama, which was a snub to the people who elected him. But we forget that even with democrat politicians, they do not care about the people who elect them, but those who donate to their campaigns.

For those who think Obama is a candidate for change, he is no different from any other candidate. One of the top contributors to his senate campaign was just convicted on several felony charges, mainly related to political corruption. This same person (his name is Tony Rezko, btw) helped Obama and his wife buy the Illinois mansion in which they now live, but which they should not have been able to afford, given the sale price, and the amount of the Obama's income and savings.

Both candidates, McCain, and Obama, are worthless. They are puppets who look and speak well, but like puppets, they have no real brains, the machines that run their campaigns do their thinking for them. Every single thing about them, from their clothes, to their hair cuts, to their facial expressions, are choreographed, they do not say a single word or answer a single question that is not rehearsed for and approved by their speechwriters and campaign staff.

Obama's staff had heart attacks earlier in the year when Obama said America should invade Pakistan militarily to chase terrorists, and that he would sit down and talk with Hugo Chavez (whom the King of Spain called "stupid" to his face) and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The Bush administration actually had to apologize to Pakistan on Obama's behalf

When you elect a president in America (or most other western nations), you are not electing the man, you are electing the mechanism which controls him. To become president you need one thing, money, as much as 100 million dollars nowadays, what kind of promises do you have to make to get that money, and to whom do you have to make them? Obama got the most money, so he got the nomination. McCain got the money, and he got the nomination.

[Paul11]

I like how you just brush off all these comments made by politicians and the like and them believe them just because, since they want to be believed, they say, "I mis-spoke." C'mon. You can't be that naive.

Ayers is a terrorist and is more than just someone met in business. All these folks around Obama say stuff, realize folks don't like it and back-peddle. too late, they said it.

The press does have an interest in reporting a skewed picture - they want their anti-war candidates to win. But I agree, that other stuff should be reported - even said so earlier.The fact that Ayers is a professor means nothing. Colleges are astions of radicalism and there are a lot of terrible people who are professors.

You may call me a scare-monger, buit notice how you casually dismiss and brush-off every concern. These things carry weight. Like, it's ok to put bombs on police stations.

[Paul11]

I am not an elegant writer or speaker.

Thank you Sangetsu for being so elegant and concise.

[MMM]

I didn't casually dismiss all your concerns, I adressed them one by one. If we are going to make every mis-statement by a candidate to be fact, then McCain has some real doozies. But I'd rather be concerned with facts about the candidates, not flubs.

If Obama was still in Rev. Wright's church, yes, I'd be concerned.

If Michelle Obama hadn't apologized and reworded her statement, yes, I'd be concerned.

If Obama and Ayers were still working together on the same committee and Ayers was still involved in subversive activities, yes, I'd be concerned.

If Obama's mother were still alive and was spouting Anti-American drivel, yes, I'd be concerned.


But these are all "ifs". None of them are actuals. I am concerned about actuals.

And Sangetsu, you may not understand the role of superdelegates. The responsibility of the superdelegates is not to vote with their constiuency (most of them don't have a constituency) but to vote for the candidate they beleive can beat the Republicans in November. That's all. Does politics play a role in politics? Of course, but don't make it sound like Bill Richarson broke the rules or his responsibilities in choosing Obama.

Nothing we are going to say is going to change each other's minds. But I always do enjoy a lively debate.

[Paul11]

Regarding your superdelegate comment: So, the people who make-up the democrat party vote, but have absolutely no say in who their candidate will be. Oligarchy of power.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Paul11

Regarding your superdelegate comment: So, the people who make-up the democrat party vote, but have absolutely no say in who their candidate will be. Oligarchy of power.

Ha ha. No, not quite. Even though it is a relatively new system, it is designed so that party insiders, people that theoretically have "insider" or especially close information on the candidates can make a good decision for the party when the race is tight. They wouldn't have come into play in like, 92, because Bill Clinton was so far ahead of the other candidates.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by TalnSG

I did not misunderstand a single word of your insulting post, Noodle. I just wanted the rest of the American on this forum to know the calibre of the person posting if they could not read the language you posted it in. Ohterwise I would have asked a moderator to remove it. Who you were saying it to has no bearing since you were offensive enough to post it publicly.

If that's offensive to american's, then I guess the saying "the truth hurts" really is true. Maybe you should play on Xbox live to find out for yourself!

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I know of some people who don't even go for basic check ups due to lack of health care insurance. I'm one of them. I'm a diabetic, too. The doctor visits are expensive, ironically, my medication is relatively cheap. I just hope I never get into an accident or anything that requires an actual hospital visit because I wouldn't be able to afford to pay it. So...having a child is 100% out for me. ^^;

My friend was the same. She is hypo-glycemic and couldn't even get that diagnosed since she couldn't afford the basic tests and has a child. (in America.)
In the end I paid for some of them so at least now she knows

[MMM]

Many Japanese living in America learn the hard way that you don't take your child to the hospital when she has a cold or the flu. Of course, these are normal ailments you visit the hospital for in Japan.

In the US you don't go to the hospital unless the bleeding won't stop.