Obama vs. McCain

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Paul11

Lol to that last part!

For the other stuff, I have never heard anyone invoke god to justify this war. Maybe some extremist has, but come on. That type of statement shows your extremism in defining the right as so.

I am not endorsing what he said in any way, and I agree with you.

[Paul11]

Sorry, I misread your post. Accept my apology as I heap dirt upon my head.
Now settle down everyone, Loveline with Dr. Drew is on the radio!

[JpopGirl]

I would not Vote for any on them. I would like to see woman get in to office as long it it was not Hillary Clinton!

[Paul11]

Who cares if it's a man or a woman. There have been weak male leaders (Jimm Carter) and strong women (Golda Meier, Thatcher). I just want a decent leader with a huge IQ.

[MMM]

Voting FOR someone because of race or gender is just as silly as voting AGAISNT someone for it.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Paul11

The reason some people see muslims as violent and harbor a murderous hatred of America is because so many of them from all over the world say so. Dancing in the streets and telling us they want to kill all jews and americans.

Very few muslim leaders stand-up and express a more reasonable view. People understand not all muslims feel that way, but it's what we keep seeing and hearing. It's nothing new. For the last thirty years I see it over and over again. Some people find thaqt a bit disturbing.

Unfortunately, you're right and that's how a lot of people see it. But, if you were to see a vegetarian eat meat, would you still call him a vegetarian? That's how I see all these so called "muslims". They say they are muslim, but don't follow their religion. That's a joke. What's sad, is that people judge a religion by these people, and don't go and find out the truth. Islam is a peaceful religion, but I'm pretty sure, most people don't that. From a young age, they're taught about all the religious wars, and now in todays world, there's another "religious" war. So in turn, you get more and more atheists and more and more discrimination towards religions.

[koaku]

Personally, I think we often associated violence and Islam and that wht shocks me!.. We totaly forget that Christianity was a very very violent religion a long time ago....

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Paul11

You don't have to remind me of anything. That's what people see and some people take it to heart. I didn't make any statements about the validity of those ideas. Re-read the post. And you don't have to be part of the "blame America first" crowd. It's ok to explore ideas.

Lol what "blame america first" crowd? You can only blame whoever is worthy of blame but i'm just replying to your post to outline where such problems stem from. The American governments interests have always been against those of the Middle East, mainly because a religion like Islam is a threat. At the same time it holds an uneasy truce with most of the Middle East because of Oil.
America has always incited some sort of spark either by dividing up a certain area by war or just outright funding Israel to arm itself lol. This usually happens when Republicans are in power
Do you disagree that such policies by whoever has been elected, are what have caused violence towards America?
I mean to me, whoever will be elected will just be a puppet at the end of the day, of whoever you believe pulls the strings. In that respect, you need someone who can at least calm down the heat against America, rather than incite it even more.

[koaku]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Lol what "blame america first" crowd? You can only blame whoever is worthy of blame but i'm just replying to your post to outline where such problems stem from. The American governments interests have always been against those of the Middle East, mainly because a religion like Islam is a threat. At the same time it holds an uneasy truce with most of the Middle East because of Oil.
America has always incited some sort of spark either by dividing up a certain area by war or just outright funding Israel to arm itself lol. This usually happens when Republicans are in power
Do you disagree that such policies by whoever has been elected, are what have caused violence towards America?
I mean to me, whoever will be elected will just be a puppet at the end of the day, of whoever you believe pulls the strings. In that respect, you need someone who can at least calm down the heat against America, rather than incite it even more.

I agree with most of what you said BUT when you say The American governments interests have always been against those of the Middle East, mainly because a religion like Islam is a threat. At the same time it holds an uneasy truce with most of the Middle East because of Oil.

But for me..these people inside the american governments want only money...they really really dont care about religion,there so much money to earn (billions !$$), that religion is no more important.I dont think we talked a lot of ecology during the 70s-80s-90s (period use for financing and arming these countries in the Middle East which has oil)

War (and hidden the religion) are just excuses to go to these countries ...Example: Why so many countries was with U.S during the 1st Iraq War and None during the 2nd???? for me = Petrol+Money.. We only had btw 20 and 25 yrs of Petrol in Middle East..time to make money..

[SatoriOne]

Obama would make the better president. We need to get out of Iraq. It is that simple. McCain wants to keep us there.

Moreover, McCain is an old man. He is too set in his ways to bring about needed change. Obama might not have what it takes but he will at least try.