Obama vs. McCain

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

How am i delusional? Why exactly should i back Obama and not Mccain???

No one said you should back anybody. Just do a little research and you'll come to your own answers. I worry that you come to conclusions with absolutely no basis.

Why do you think Obama is a liar?

Who said not supporting Obama makes you racist?

Why does being a great orator make you Hitler?

The common theme of Obama's campaign is victimhood? I have listened to many of his speeches, and I never remember hearing him use the word "victim". If anything his speeches are hopeful and inspirational. For some reason that is offensive to very conservative ears. I find McCain's speeches the opposite of inspirational.

Bush blamed for Katrina?

Stop talking stupid. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

i was not talking to you i was talking to Nathan. I was not comparing obama to hitler either. defeine hyper conserative!!!

If you want to talk to Nathan then PM him.

You said

If you remeber Hitler was a great orator and could bring droves of people.

That is you comparing Obama to Hitler. That is one of the hyper-conservative talking points.

Hyper-conservatives are like several of the people on this forum that have spouted anti-Obama talking points that are only meant to stir emotions and that are based nowhere in reality.

It's shameless bullshitting, and doesn't belong in any intelligent discussion.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

Well if you would listen to the people like al sharpton who frame the issue as white vs black. America was Founded on Individuals not collectives. And only Individuals can make their lives better. Obama seems to think the answer to make govenment bigger which leads to things being done efficently. If you want change get the govenment out of our lives.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

Nathan explain how man can cause global waming also explain why not even all the scientiest agree on the issue. Oh by the way explain how all of the people saying global warming is real do not get rid of all of their Suvs/Limos and Huge Houses. Al gore for example still makes money on the families oil stock.

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Well if you would listen to the people like al sharpton who frame the issue as white vs black. America was Founded on Individuals not collectives. And only Individuals can make their lives better. Obama seems to think the answer to make govenment bigger which leads to things being done efficently. If you want change get the govenment out of our lives.

Find me a quote where Al Sharpton said not supporting Obama means you are racist.

Where has Obama said he wants to make government bigger? To be honest, I am not sure how it could get any bigger than it has under George W.

Come with some facts.

Pardon the implication, but you are saying all the points the conservatives feed uneduated people to vote Republican. None of it is based in fact. It's all hyperbole. Close your eyes and listen to what he is actually saying.

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Nathan explain how man can cause global waming also explain why not even all the scientiest agree on the issue. Oh by the way explain how all of the people saying global warming is real do not get rid of all of their Suvs/Limos and Huge Houses. Al gore for example still makes money on the families oil stock.

Not all "scientists" agree that the world is round, so if requiring all scientists (or religious leaders, or politicians, or professors, or anyone) to agree on something to make it a fact, then nothng is true.

People are selling their SUVs by the thousands. There are long waiting lists to buy hybrids...they can't make them fast enough.

AmericanOtakuLee, have you ever taken a plane and flown into LAX? When you see the color of the air from 30,000 feet looking down on the surface of the city, there is little doubt man is more than a simple traveller on this planet.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

i hate to tell you but a republican is not a conserative, Mccain is not a conserative. Obama wants to raise the death Tax and Captial Gains, he thinks their shold be limits on successful people can be. Increase taxs on oil companies in with the idea it will lower gas prices. I can explain my self better talking to a person better then typing.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

MMM i do not care if thosands are selling their suvs thats their right. I do however care when somebody tells me i have to change my lifestyle to suit the same people who fly where ver they want in their private plans and ride in Limos.

the US is the most enviromentally friendly country their is today. Even bill clintion vetoed the flawed scam called the kyoto treaty which by is very nature is illeagle and un constutitional not to mention the countries that have signed the treaty are not even to my understanding able to abide it. And when countries like china/india and russia sign on to the kyoto treaty and get their countries clean then we can talk. Americans recycle more out of free will then other countries do by goverment decree

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Nathan explain how man can cause global waming also explain why not even all the scientiest agree on the issue. Oh by the way explain how all of the people saying global warming is real do not get rid of all of their Suvs/Limos and Huge Houses. Al gore for example still makes money on the families oil stock.

Because, unfortunately, some scientists that are being employed by major pollution emitters are paid specifically to try and disprove reality. Much in the same way cigarettes were doctor-approved back in the 1940s.

Its easy to say global warming is real, its entirely another thing to do something about it. People are comfortable with their lives as it currently stands, and some take the stance of "I won't be around in 100 years to see the after effects, who cares?" Or some people simply can't afford to get rid of their old equipment. Just because they live in a big house now doesn't mean they are rolling in cash sir. They may be just making enough to pay the mortgage as is, and can't afford to be making payments on yet more items.

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

i hate to tell you but a republican is not a conserative, Mccain is not a conserative. Obama wants to raise the death Tax and Captial Gains, he thinks their shold be limits on successful people can be. Increase taxs on oil companies in with the idea it will lower gas prices. I can explain my self better talking to a person better then typing.

I didn't say Republican. I said conservative. Generally they are the same thing, but as you said, conservatives do not like John McCain. They do not support the Republican candidate. I am reminded of that every day here.

Obama will raise the capital gains tax for those individuals making over $250,000 a year. McCain supports making the corporate tax cuts President Bush put into play permanent. His theory is that tax breaks to corporations stimulate the economy. Well, that's what Bush is doing now, and take a look at how the economy is going.

Where are you getting that Obama wants to raise the "death tax"?