Obama vs. McCain

[AmericanOtakuLee]

Generally they are not the same a republican generally claims to be conserative to get votes then becomses moderate/liberal. Mccain while claiming to be conserative has backed the Illeagle Camoaign Fianannice reform which stiffle freespeech and also backed illeagle immigration. Conseratives Believe not in govenrment but inividuals make America great.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

but the people i refer are rolling in cash and marely pay lip service to keeping the enviroment clean. Also how does the EarthFirst crowd buring a lot of suvs keep the planent clean. You would find that people who are demonized do more to help keep the earth clean the people doing the demonizing.

[Nathan]

Just because no one has thought up a smart solution yet doesn't mean its a non-issue.

I'll admit there are plenty of "earth-saving ideas" that are complete bollocks.

The people that pay lip service are the ones I was referring to that simply don't care because they won't be around to see the major side-effects.

It's far easier to sit on the side-lines, point fingers, and shout names than to actually do something, which is why the vast majority of people are activists in name only.

I myself am prone to waste, I'll admit it. I try to conserve when I can, but I don't go way out of my way to do so like some extremists. I simply can't afford that to do so at this stage in my life. Maybe once I'm a bit more settled.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

Define Extreamist. Maybe they do that to rebel in what they rightfully fill is infringing in their constutitional right to be free. And name me a person who pushes global warming who actually does what he says.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Define Extreamist. Maybe they do that to rebel in what they rightfully fill is infringing in their constutitional right to be free. And name me a person who pushes global warming who actually does what he says.

Al Gore. He uses 100% green power through Project Green Switch.

How about you answer a couple of the questions posed at you.

1)Find me a quote where Al Sharpton said not supporting Obama means you are racist.

2)Where has Obama said he wants to make government bigger? To be honest, I am not sure how it could get any bigger than it has under George W.

3) Where are you getting that Obama wants to raise the "death tax"?

4) How does making you a good speaker make you comparable to Hitler?

[AmericanOtakuLee]

Tax Reform: 2008 contenders' views
Obama's capital gains tax is a tax on economic growth
Under Pressure from CNN, Obama Admits Wanting to Raise Taxes | NewsBusters.org


Under Bill Clinton, rich people didn't feel oppressed. (Apr 2008)
No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K. (Apr 2008)
Raise capital gains tax for fairness, not for revenue. (Apr 2008)
Tax cut for seniors and those making $75,000 a year or less. (Feb 2008)
I'm not bashful about it: wealthy will pay more taxes. (Jan 2008)
Stimulus package: $500 tax cut, & Social Security supplement. (Jan 2008)
Restore progressive tax; close loopholes; relief to seniors. (Oct 2007)
Trillion dollar giveaway: the Paris Hilton Tax Break. (Oct 2007)
Reduce Bush tax cuts to pay for health care & other programs. (Jun 2007)
Estate tax only affects the wealthiest 1/2 of 1%. (Oct 2006)
Specific tax relief for families making $75,000 or less now. (Jan 2006)
Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class. (Jun 2004)
Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore. (Jun 2004)
Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

[MMM]

Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Tax Reform: 2008 contenders' views

I see you have his tax record below. Did you bother to read it?

Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Obama's capital gains tax is a tax on economic growth

That's not news, that's a right-wing blog post. Here's what Obama says about it:

“As we make these changes, we'll be sure to encourage growth and innovation. So we'll exempt start-up companies and small businesses from capital gains to give them an added boost. Because when more Americans tap that well of opportunity, all of us are better off.”

Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Under Pressure from CNN, Obama Admits Wanting to Raise Taxes | NewsBusters.org

Know what spin is? That's is spin. He did not "admit" he "wants" to "raise taxes".

Here is what he said: "Well, I think that there's no doubt that letting the Bush tax cuts on the top 1 percent lapse would not have, I think, a significant impact on the economy, but would bolster our fiscal situation,"

He said he wants get rid of the tax breaks for the top 1% that Bush put in.

Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee

Under Bill Clinton, rich people didn't feel oppressed. (Apr 2008)
No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K. (Apr 2008)
Raise capital gains tax for fairness, not for revenue. (Apr 2008)
Tax cut for seniors and those making $75,000 a year or less. (Feb 2008)
I'm not bashful about it: wealthy will pay more taxes. (Jan 2008)
Stimulus package: $500 tax cut, & Social Security supplement. (Jan 2008)
Restore progressive tax; close loopholes; relief to seniors. (Oct 2007)
Trillion dollar giveaway: the Paris Hilton Tax Break. (Oct 2007)
Reduce Bush tax cuts to pay for health care & other programs. (Jun 2007)
Estate tax only affects the wealthiest 1/2 of 1%. (Oct 2006)
Specific tax relief for families making $75,000 or less now. (Jan 2006)
Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class. (Jun 2004)
Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore. (Jun 2004)
Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

Are you trying to make my point for me?


No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K. (Apr 2008)
sounds good to me.


Raise capital gains tax for fairness, not for revenue. (Apr 2008)
sounds good to me.

Tax cut for seniors and those making $75,000 a year or less. (Feb 2008)
sounds good to me.

I'm not bashful about it: wealthy will pay more taxes. (Jan 2008)
sounds good to me.

Stimulus package: $500 tax cut, & Social Security supplement. (Jan 2008)
sounds good to me.

Restore progressive tax; close loopholes; relief to seniors. (Oct 2007)
sounds good to me.

Trillion dollar giveaway: the Paris Hilton Tax Break. (Oct 2007)
I don't know what this means. Can you explain?

Reduce Bush tax cuts to pay for health care & other programs. (Jun 2007)
sounds good to me.

Estate tax only affects the wealthiest 1/2 of 1%. (Oct 2006)
sounds good to me.

Specific tax relief for families making $75,000 or less now. (Jan 2006)
sounds good to me.

Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class. (Jun 2004)
Then we should follow Obama's ideas and eliminate them.

Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore. (Jun 2004)
sounds good to me.

Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
especially to the super-rich. That's the one McCain wants to make permanent (know how much his wife is worth?)

Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
What does this mean? Can you explain?

Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
What does this mean? Can you explain?

Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
sounds good to me.

Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
I don't agree with this one.

Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
sounds good to me.

Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)
sounds good to me.


Thanks for finding that.

[AmericanOtakuLee]

rightwing lol now thats spin their is no such thing as the right wing
so its aok to rob peter to pay paul??? prgressive a code word for socialism or opression of the successful

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.
John Marshall, McCullough v. Maryland, 1819

[MMM]

You've got a great spin there. I am sure some are convinced.

Feel free to get to these when you have a chance:

1)Find me a quote where Al Sharpton said not supporting Obama means you are racist.

2)Where has Obama said he wants to make government bigger? To be honest, I am not sure how it could get any bigger than it has under George W.

3) Where are you getting that Obama wants to raise the "death tax"?

4) How does making you a good speaker make you comparable to Hitler?

[AmericanOtakuLee]

Its not being a good speaker makes you hitler. Its the idea speaking flawlessly and saying what everybody wants to hear should be the only qualification. And i could not find a direct qoute from al sharpton but that what i got from his tone when i have seen him speaking. By the way the up coming supreme court ruling will have a effect on this election. And this thread assume hillary is out of the race which is interesting cause she never released her delegates to obama but marely suspended her campaign