China: New Superpower?

[noodle]

Originally Posted by MMM

Noodle, please back off of me. You jump on every statement I make like I wear a white hood and burn crosses for a living.

I said it takes a lot of work to change a culture. That is different than saying China's culture needs to change.

When I say "culture" here I am not talking about race and ethnicity, but (I thought I was pretty clear), I am talking about the culture of enviromentalism, safety and health that I read in my worthless western news and see on my worthless western news channels.

You're talking about enviromentalism? Well, I'm sorry, I guess I should've said you were being hypocritical. I guess your "worthless" news doesn't tell you that the USA is the biggest polluter of them all. Considering you live in the US's greenest city, I would have assumed you got all that information about the rest of the country and world.

And I know you didn't mean race and ethnicity, I was talking about "culture". Maybe the word is Culturist? I don't know. But you implying that a culture needs to change for the standards of the west, implies that the culture isn't good enough, which IS racist/culturist/discriminatory or whatever it's called...

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

You're talking about enviromentalism? Well, I'm sorry, I guess I should've said you were being hypocritical.

I look forward to the day there is a topic I am qualified to talk about in your eyes.

Originally Posted by noodle

I guess your "worthless" news doesn't tell you that the USA is the biggest polluter of them all. Considering you live in the US's greenest city, I would have assumed you got all that information about the rest of the country and world.

You are the one that calls my news worthless. I just threw that in for your benefit. And I do live in one of the greenest cities in the US, and maybe the world.

I am very aware of the level of US pollution. However I also see what is going on in China (a country with 4 times the population) and I can't help but worry. How many children died in the recent earthquakes because of ignored safety violations?

Originally Posted by noodle

And I know you didn't mean race and ethnicity,

Then don't call my statements racist.

Originally Posted by noodle

I was talking about "culture". Maybe the word is Culturist? I don't know. But you implying that a culture needs to change for the standards of the west, implies that the culture isn't good enough, which IS racist/culturist/discriminatory or whatever it's called...

I will repeat myself. I was talking about the culture of environmental, safety and health in China. It's like talking about the "business culture". It has nothing to do with Chinese culture, but just China finding its place in the world (not the West) in terms of these issues.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by MMM

I look forward to the day there is a topic I am qualified to talk about in your eyes.



You are the one that calls my news worthless. I just threw that in for your benefit. And I do live in one of the greenest cities in the US, and maybe the world.

I am very aware of the level of US pollution. However I also see what is going on in China (a country with 4 times the population) and I can't help but worry. How many children died in the recent earthquakes because of ignored safety violations?



Then don't call my statements racist.



I will repeat myself. I was talking about the culture of environmental, safety and health in China. It's like talking about the "business culture". It has nothing to do with Chinese culture, but just China finding its place in the world (not the West) in terms of these issues.

Please, don't do that little guilt trip thing. We've discussed plenty of topics without having any problems. So I don't know where you're getting that from...

And no, I didn't say your news was worthless, but your opinion is kind of worthless if all your infor is based on the news.

Four times as much pollutions as the US... Excuse me, but WTF? Have you even seen the charts of how much CO2 is produced by the US and other countries????

Haha, ignored safety violations? Dude, the chinese dealt with the earth quake far better than anyone expected the poor country to deal with it. But funnily enough, they didn't say much about their speedy responses in the "worthless" news did they

.................................... So why is it you complain about China and it's people (ie, spitting?) when in fact, you simply have a problem with their business men?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by noodle

Please, don't do that little guilt trip thing. We've discussed plenty of topics without having any problems. So I don't know where you're getting that from...

I am not trying to guilt trip, but you do that Tenchu thing where my nationality becomes a liablility for my opinion. I'd rather just discuss things openly without "But the US does..." all the time.

Originally Posted by noodle

And no, I didn't say your news was worthless, but your opinion is kind of worthless if all your infor is based on the news.

I don't know which is worse, my news being worthless, or my opinion being worthless because I watch the news.

Originally Posted by noodle

Four times as much pollutions as the US... Excuse me, but WTF? Have you even seen the charts of how much CO2 is produced by the US and other countries????

Noodle, read my posts, don't skim.

Originally Posted by noodle

Haha, ignored safety violations? Dude, the chinese dealt with the earth quake far better than anyone expected the poor country to deal with it. But funnily enough, they didn't say much about their speedy responses in the "worthless" news did they

The idea is to not have schools where the walls are filled with sand instead of concrete. There were not slight safety violations, but gross and criminal ones. In elementary schools.

Originally Posted by noodle

.................................... So why is it you complain about China and it's people (ie, spitting?) when in fact, you simply have a problem with their business men?

Business men? What are talking about. Again please read what I wrote, without skimming.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

The part where you tell me that I can't have an opinion.

Sorry but i've got to say WTF are you talking about?
I've been quite lenient with you up till now but that is evidently not going to cut it with you.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Yes FACTS I know about. For example how the media works, how China's state censorship works etc. Facts that I have based my REASONING on. The reason people like you and noodle are arguing with me is because it is obvious that these are FACTS you DON'T know about. Rather you and noodle would rather entertain conspiracy theories and mistrust of the West because you want to defend China for whatever reason.

First and foremost, WHAT facts? Have you actually ever seen a Chinese news bulletin or have you just heard about it through whatever material you've acquired through the "Western" media. (Obviously that includes the internet, teaching and the news itself. )
Yes I can call it "Western" media because ultimately it has the "Western" doctrine and ideals written all over its views and opinions. It is linked because no matter where in the West you go, that same doctrine and ideal will be prevalent on news reports that need a certain spin. If my Israeli example was not enough for you, I would've thought that Alkindus' post would've filled in the so called "Evidence" that you wanted from me. Apparently though his post didn't cut it with you and when faced with "evidence" you totally skirted it. What happened to your generic stance on "The Western media doesn't conspire" then?
Obviously you didn't understand a word I wrote earlier, that such tactics are used by the Western media to put spin on their news.
Also asking to get evidence from me is rather silly since I don't record any news and really have no idea where to find it on the internet. I haven't been bothered to look for it either. However I KNOW from experience that such "propaganda" occurs as do plenty of other people. Those ARE the facts that I and a lot of people DO know. Unlike your FACTS, ours are actually quite unbiased.
If suddenly I started recording all the stories that supported my argument, you would have nowhere to turn to.
Also in that case, the answer you gave to Alkindus, ("ignoring is not the same as lying") would hardly be acceptable.

I'm also surprised with your vast facts and unsurmountable knowledge, that you might not have seen this.

YouTube - George Galloway Savages SKY NEWS!

George Galloway destroys that news reporter, with all its evident spin and propaganda. (SKY is pretty huge here.)
If you can't see it, then you aren't as intelligent and in line with facts as you think you are.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

As for the buddhist quote. There is nothing wrong with it. It's a good quote and can actually be used as a critique of religions such as Islam and Christianity which demand loyalty to a particular way or set of thinking (I've seen the quote before). But I digress....

Hmm interesting outlook on it. Cept you're an Atheist and that is a Buddhist quote. So.. a self-proclaimed Atheist accepting the quote from a religion. What a novel idea?
I guess its ok to be contradictory and hypocritical when that quote applies to any set way of thinking.. which includes yours?
Then again I guess its alright to forget that when you're trying to make your point, just like the Western media when they don't "lie" but choose to "ignore".
Just like this.

YouTube - If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing! VIDEO WAS CENSORED!

Of course these points just deal with Israel, of which you claim is reported on fairly and openly.
Haha.
Also, applying random quotes to Islam from an imperfect source, won't actually further your point anywhere cept in the eyes of morons who can't tell their backside from their face.. but I digress.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by MMM

I am not trying to guilt trip, but you do that Tenchu thing where my nationality becomes a liablility for my opinion. I'd rather just discuss things openly without "But the US does..." all the time.


I don't know which is worse, my news being worthless, or my opinion being worthless because I watch the news.


Noodle, read my posts, don't skim.



The idea is to not have schools where the walls are filled with sand instead of concrete. There were not slight safety violations, but gross and criminal ones. In elementary schools.



Business men? What are talking about. Again please read what I wrote, without skimming.

Huh... The only time I ever bring the US into this is when a hypocritical statement is made. I pretty much guessed what you were gonna say on this thread before you even said it. Whether you admit it or not, you have something against china without knowing any sound facts. Having an opinion is all well and good until you talk about changing their culture, or how they're not an influence to the world etc.

I think you'll find the second one is worse. Having such a strong opinion simply from what you see on the news is terrible (in my opinion), whereas, the first one isn't so bad because all news channels/papers all over the world lie and exagurate, NOT just US or western media...

I apologise for that part. I mis-read.

Ever considered that there was a reason for doing that instead of what you just assume to be negligence?

Yes, Business men... The people that cheat their way into doing something cheaply without considering the concequences... One shouldn't complain about China as a whole when it's a minor group of people commiting offenses, because the truth of the matter is, China has excellent business ethics and brilliant prospects for the future... Unfortunately, you won't see too much of the good side on tv right?

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by noodle

Huh... The only time I ever bring the US into this is when a hypocritical statement is made. I pretty much guessed what you were gonna say on this thread before you even said it. Whether you admit it or not, you have something against china without knowing any sound facts. Having an opinion is all well and good until you talk about changing their culture, or how they're not an influence to the world etc.

Just like every other person who can't discern between what's propaganda and what's reality.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Just like every other person who can't discern between what's propaganda and what's reality.

Be careful, people will start calling you a conspiracy theorist

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by noodle

Be careful, people will start calling you a conspiracy theorist

Lol, too much Kilroy does that to ppl Its sad to see people so brainwashed, that they can only turn to "you are a conspiracist", when pushed into a corner.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Noodle and Ivion: full length berkas that expose only the eyes looks seriously weird.

lol, random...why are you saying that? did you see one today? And yeah, I don't like them either...