China: New Superpower?

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Other than he's not a little kid anymore. Panchen Lama is chosen from the Chinese authorities

I'm very glad you offered these views for all to see.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

That's because they all support a corrupted leader called Dalai Lama.

You sure are making the case alright. It's good for everyone to see it right out in the open.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by lincken

Cannot agree with u more! China emphasizes a hands-off foreign policy towards the internal affairs of other countries.

Hands off?

You mean supporting corrupt and genocidal regimes? (Sudan and Zimbabwe)

Don't make me laugh

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Other than he's not a little kid anymore. Panchen Lama is chosen from the Chinese authorities, a traditional since the Qing dynasty. This is Gelugpa school of Tibetan Buddhism, politically influenced from Beijing.

And he once lead a huge Buddhist conference event in China as a spokesperson. Great assumption you got there.

It's Tibet... Before the Qing dynasty, there was several hundred years of religious civil war (that makes European religious wars look like juvenile kids' plays) until it was formally stabilized by the Qing negotiators and lead to the acquisition of Tibet. But ever since the Qing dynasty, the position called Dalai Lama has been gathering too much power in that region or sphere of influence and made more power trips after the Qing dynasty. Don't forget, the Qing royal family was the biggest patron of the Gelugpa Tibetan Buddhism.

Other than that, there are several greatest incidents in history that shouldn't be made. One of them is transmitting Tantric Buddhism to a Bonpo-influenced Tibet from today's pre-Islamic Bangladesh.

Either ways of looking around, the Tibet issue is a pain from historical or modern perspectives.

And just to let you know: Five Races Under One Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The birth of modern China is meant to be a multi-ethnic country in the first place.

Nice speech there... too bad the Tibetans themselves don't buy it.

And when we're talking about national self determination as set out in the UN charter... that's ALL that matters

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Dalai Lama. That guy is interesting.

1. He has made a serious schism among his followers and non-Tibetan followers because he suddenly disapproved of worshiping another Tantric deity.
2. His PR is horrible because he accidentally misrepresent himself often to all Western people, saying he is the head of all Buddhist schools (even establishments in China and South East Asia).
3. He said he represents all Tibetan people despite there are lots of modern Bonpo followers in Western Tibet that don't affiliate to Tibetan Buddhism.
4. He discouraged many Sakya, Kagyu, and Nyingma Buddhist establishments in Nepal and Bhutan because of Western countries' "financial treatments".
5. He's a "theocratic" religious figure with heavy control of "secular" politics among refugees. I thought modern politics is against theocracy.

He's a weird guy that my religious studies professor from New Zealand don't want to take him seriously.

Anyway, here's a famous Tibetan-Chinese celebrity for your enjoyment:



Alan Dawa Dolma is her name

He's pledged to establish a democracy if he is reinstated as Tibet's leader. That's enough for me to support him and enough for the people of Tibet.

Oh I love it how you're trying to gloss over the issues by going off on all sorts of tangents.

Furthermore, even if you did manage to undermine the Dalai Lama... the fact that Tibetans regard themselves as different to Chinese and wish to exercise national self determination that they had before China invaded Tibet in the 1950's is still an issue unto itself. Whether or not the Dalai Lama is central to that issue or not.

It's like saying that catching Osama bin Laden will end Islamic fundamentalism.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

And just to let you know: Five Races Under One Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The birth of modern China is meant to be a multi-ethnic country in the first place.

Noone is disputing that modern China is multi-ethnic.

However it is multi ethnic whether these ethnic groups like it or not that is the problem.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

It's like saying that catching Osama bin Laden will end Islamic fundamentalism.

Perhaps he will. No one believed Anikan Skywalker would bring balance to the force, either, but he did.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Nice speech there... too bad the Tibetans themselves don't buy it.

And when we're talking about national self determination as set out in the UN charter... that's ALL that matters

And people these days take UN seriously? Why I haven't seen any firm resolutions in the UN about Tibetan independence?

You know it's quite ironic when the spokesperson of the UN is a South Korean and well-known to be very pro-China.

Let's see how it goes in the UN.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

He's pledged to establish a democracy if he is reinstated as Tibet's leader. That's enough for me to support him and enough for the people of Tibet.

Supporting Democracy... yes. But dividing his own people with the issues of Dorje Shugden to consolidate more power? How democratic is he when he produced more controversies among his followers?

Oh I love it how you're trying to gloss over the issues by going off on all sorts of tangents.

Why? Because I'm also a Chinese minority as well?

Furthermore, even if you did manage to undermine the Dalai Lama... the fact that Tibetans regard themselves as different to Chinese and wish to exercise national self determination that they had before China invaded Tibet in the 1950's is still an issue unto itself. Whether or not the Dalai Lama is central to that issue or not.

Dalai Lama's using a "Middle Way" policy of without seeking independence for Tibet, the Central Tibetan Administration strives for the creation of a political entity comprising the three traditional provinces of Tibet.

Facing Facts On Tibet - Forbes.com

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Noone is disputing that modern China is multi-ethnic.

However it is multi ethnic whether these ethnic groups like it or not that is the problem.

There are 56 groups. Only 2 minority groups are currently having issues. Why we are not seeing any 54 minority groups uprising?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by tksensei

I'm very glad you offered these views for all to see.

Of course I will defend China. I'm very glad you offered an obvious view.

Golden Urn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by tksensei

You sure are making the case alright. It's good for everyone to see it right out in the open.

How about if you can prove that Dalai Lama isn't a corrupted leader than saying "oh, now everybody knows what you are thinking"?

YouTube - Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden, Part 1

YouTube - Protest on Dalai Lama for banning Dorje Shugden - Nottingham

YouTube - To the Dalai Lama (..from a Dorje Shugden practitioner)

YouTube - CIA in Tibet

[komitsuki]

I told you my view, Ronin. I don't want to make a controversy with this and get us temperorily banned. Don't start it.