China: New Superpower?

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

And people these days take UN seriously? Why I haven't seen any firm resolutions in the UN about Tibetan independence?

You know it's quite ironic when the spokesperson of the UN is a South Korean and well-known to be a very pro-China.

Let's see how it goes in the UN.

I certainly take it's founding principles seriously. Do you have a problem with the concept of national self determination? Stop dodging the issue and either acknowledge or address this issue.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Supporting Democracy... yes. But dividing his own people with the issues of Dorje Shugden to consolidate more power? How democratic is he when he produced more controversies among his followers?

Whatever his political shortcomings may be. His broader goal is noble.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Why? Because I'm also a Chinese minority as well?

Huh? That wasn't even a coherent response to what you quoted.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Dalai Lama's using a "Middle Way" policy of without seeking independence for Tibet, the Central Tibetan Administration strives for the creation of a political entity comprising the three traditional provinces of Tibet.

Facing Facts On Tibet - Forbes.com

I read your article. Did you?

This statement raises the question as to the extent of his authority over a younger generation of the Tibetan independence movement--one that is less willing to follow the route of non-violence as part of a "Middle Way" approach. We must avoid a turn to violence and radicalism from these groups at all costs. We cannot afford another Northern Ireland or Palestine.

So the part of my post you quoted is proved right by your own article. Frankly however I'm in favour of Tibetan radicalism.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

There are 56 groups. Only 2 minority groups are currently having issues. Why we are not seeing any 54 minority groups uprising?

How does that disprove what I said?

I'll repeat what I said...

Noone is disputing China is multiethnic

However it is multiethnic whether these ethnic groups like it or not that is the problem

i.e. 2 ethnic groups wanting independence from China is 2 ethnic groups too many.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

I told you my view, Ronin. I don't want to make a controversy with this and get us temperorily banned. Don't start it.

I'm not doing anything wrong.

I'm replying in a purely rational fashion.

If you can't handle that then that's your problem.

[Ronin4hire]

Oh by the way... the CIA in Tibet is not a secret

It is no secret that the US abandoned pro-Tibetan resistance groups when the US decided that the rift between the Chinese and the USSR could be exploited.

So stop trying to sell it as a stab in the back to the Chinese.

It was a stab in the back to the Tibetans. The US was enemies with China at first then became friends when they abandoned the Tibetans.. not the other way around.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I certainly take it's founding principles seriously. Do you have a problem with the concept of national self determination? Stop dodging the issue and either acknowledge or address this issue.

Tibet is called "Tibetan Autonomous Region".

Whatever his political shortcomings may be. His broader goal is noble.

With illegal funding from CIA, eh?

Huh? That wasn't even a coherent response to what you quoted.

Do you want to insult somebody?

I read your article. Did you?

Oh, yes. And I agree with the CCP's respond towards Dalai Lama in that article.

So the part of my post you quoted is proved right by your own article. Frankly however I'm in favour of Tibetan radicalism.

Radicalism wouldn't solve anything.

How does that disprove what I said?

I'll repeat what I said...

Noone is disputing China is multiethnic

However it is multiethnic whether these ethnic groups like it or not that is the problem

i.e. 2 ethnic groups wanting independence from China is 2 ethnic groups too many.

It matters because all of the 56 groups are all under the same and coherent minority policies from Beijing.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Oh by the way... the CIA in Tibet is not a secret

It is no secret that the US abandoned pro-Tibetan resistance groups when the US decided that the rift between the Chinese and the USSR could be exploited.

So stop trying to sell it as a stab in the back to the Chinese.

It was a stab in the back to the Tibetans. The US was enemies with China at first then became friends when they abandoned the Tibetans.. not the other way around.

But instead of CIA, the NED (National Endowment of Democracy) is funding Dalai Lama... and the NED is a CIA-influenced organization.

NED, American Colonizer - NED Funds Dalai Lama's Anti-China Movement - lib

And now there is a bill supporting Tibetan independence in Washington.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I'm not doing anything wrong.

I'm replying in a purely rational fashion.

If you can't handle that then that's your problem.

Then why do you support radicalism of Tibetan independance, that isn't even rational in today's terms.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Tibet is called "Tibetan Autonomous Region".

And we all know that's a bullshit title. That Tibetans are neither autonomous nor in control of their own destiny. I suppose you'll tell me that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democratic.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

With illegal funding from CIA, eh?

Be more specific. What is illegal about the Dalai Lama's current political activities. Furthermore what does it matter? Illegal funding or not... I support his goal for the restoration of Tibet as an independent nation or at least as a truly autonomous region

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Do you want to insult somebody?

Your response did not correspond with what I wrote. Was just pointing that out that's all... calm down.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Oh, yes. And I agree with the CCP's respond towards Dalai Lama in that article.

And that is relevant to my point how?

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Radicalism wouldn't solve anything.

Depends on how sophisticated it becomes. If Tibetan resistance movements consolidate support from India and Nepal then I can see it becoming a thorn in the side of the Chinese.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

It matters because all of the 56 groups are all under the same and coherent minority policies from Beijing.

You're not listening... national self determination. It doesn't matter what Beijing says or does.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

But instead of CIA, the NED (National Endowment of Democracy) is funding Dalai Lama... and the NED is a CIA-influenced organization.

NED, American Colonizer - NED Funds Dalai Lama's Anti-China Movement - lib

And now there is a bill supporting Tibetan independence in Washington.

Well that's not what you originally referred to with your links...

But at any rate... That's great news! I hope the CIA or NED wins in their mission for Tibetan independence. Furthermore I hope they don't cut and run like last time. I support Washington in this bill.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Then why do you support radicalism of Tibetan independance, that isn't even rational in today's terms.

I support it in principle.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

And we all know that's a bullshit title. That Tibetans are neither autonomous nor in control of their own destiny. I suppose you'll tell me that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democratic.

I also question whether Republic of Korea is really republic in dictionary terms or in political terms.

Be more specific. What is illegal about the Dalai Lama's current political activities. Furthermore what does it matter? Illegal funding or not... I support his goal for the restoration of Tibet as an independent nation or at least as a truly autonomous region

This is important when America has an official relationship with China... while the NED (CIA sub-organization in real life) is supporting an independance movement inside and outside of China.

The UN is a wasted organization and lost its usefulness after the Cold War.

And that is relevant to my point how?

Look into other side. I saw the Tibet's side of this and it's a sheer crap from today's view and the historical view. Like I said before, Tibet's worst encounter is accepting Tantric Buddhism to this area around the 9-11th century. It had caused many civil wars and power play because of this.

Depends on how sophisticated it becomes. If Tibetan resistance movements consolidate support from India and Nepal then I can see it becoming a thorn in the side of the Chinese.

Other than Nepal turned to a Maoist rebel country with weaker ties with India. And India is not in a good shape of dealing with China with its Maoist rebels in Eastern India.

Funny because the current neo-Maoist activism in China is downright illegal and they are being hunted down seriously. Chinese New Left - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're not listening... national self determination. It doesn't matter what Beijing says or does.

Because we all know that national self determinism of UN is biased for Western perspective.