China: New Superpower?

[karakhitan]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Dalai Lama. That guy is interesting.

1. He has made a serious schism among his followers and non-Tibetan followers because he suddenly disapproved of worshiping another Tantric deity.
2. His PR is horrible because he accidentally misrepresent himself often to all Western people, saying he is the head of all Buddhist schools (even establishments in China and South East Asia).
3. He said he represents all Tibetan people despite there are lots of modern Bonpo followers in Western Tibet that don't affiliate to Tibetan Buddhism.
4. He discouraged many Sakya, Kagyu, and Nyingma Buddhist establishments in Nepal and Bhutan because of Western countries' "financial treatments".
5. He's a "theocratic" religious figure with heavy control of "secular" politics among refugees. I thought modern politics is against theocracy.

He's a weird guy that my religious studies professor from New Zealand don't want to take him seriously.

Anyway, here's a famous Tibetan-Chinese celebrity for your enjoyment:



Alan Dawa Dolma is her name

Wow that girl looks pretty cute.

[karakhitan]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Well that's not what you originally referred to with your links...

But at any rate... That's great news! I hope the CIA or NED wins in their mission for Tibetan independence. Furthermore I hope they don't cut and run like last time. I support Washington in this bill.

Why is it so important to you that a single country goes out and split another country apart? Nelson Mandela said America is Biggest human rights violators in the world. I see some truth in that. (how they invade a country every 5 years or so) Why are you so keen on supporting the American domination of other countries and other peoples, and their task to destabilize other peoples lives?

Middle East is already ruined in the name of "democracy", along with lives of millions of people. Weddings have been bombed in the name of "democracy", women and children have been shot, raped, killed in the name of "fighting for freedom". Mosques and hospitals have been blown up in the name of "human rights"... and people like you support it without a second thought. the continuation of such atrocities is just terrible.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by karakhitan

Why is it so important to you that a single country goes out and split another country apart? Nelson Mandela said America is Biggest human rights violators in the world. I see some truth in that. (how they invade a country every 5 years or so) Why are you so keen on supporting the American domination of other countries and other peoples, and their task to destabilize other peoples lives?

Middle East is already ruined in the name of "democracy", along with lives of millions of people. Weddings have been bombed in the name of "democracy", women and children have been shot, raped, killed in the name of "fighting for freedom". Mosques and hospitals have been blown up in the name of "human rights"... and people like you support it without a second thought. the continuation of such atrocities is just terrible.

Not that i support either of them fully in their arguments. But im amazed at how you simplified this argument. Just so you know Ronin4hire is actually a stanch US critic so 90% of your argument has been killed right there, actually read what he wrote and why he supports the US on this particular matter. 2nd you have to look at where they differ on Tibetan issue simplifying the argument by saying spliting apart is not wise and if you read arguments you will see why its not as simple as such.

3rd the middle east is turmoil the same as its been for thousand of years. Lastly if you want to start pointing fingers and human right violations down through the history i have a very long list my friend. Iv said this before and i will say again any person who thinks their country is squeaky clean is not only blind but must shed their naivete.

btw part of my ancestor is heron do you know what happen to them and which country is mainly responsible? The more things change the more they stay when another country steps to the forefront future generations will be having the same arguments except it wont be the US it will be whatever country currently holds the title of superpower.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by tksensei

You need to learn that propaganda doesn't work outside a very specific context.

Just as I expected. I knew you would say that. Welcome to the 21st century where propaganda's boundry is very flismy.

It's not a huge surprise for non-Chinese people to think "China = brutal propgangda!!!!!!" impulsively... like great "liberal democratic" pioneers. Very obvious.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Yea but not all westerners are like how you described. We are more similar than you think i have lived in the East and in the West and even though i have my issues with several countries in Asia im not about to give up hope on coexistence.

The West should have a better attitude instead NOT to offend non-Western worlds.

I have never treated you badly or unfairly even though with disagree yet you are grouping me with Ronin4hire how is that fair?

If you read my replies very carefully, I don't group you with Ronin. Sorry to say, he's hopeless beyond help anyways.

Granted i understand Ronin's perspective a little better than you do that doesn't meant the west as a hole has be belittling you?

Sorry to say, I don't think you really understand his perspective in the first place. Otherwise, you really don't understand my perspectives.

If i were say to you i have no hope for Korea or China to change my opinion about them you would harp all over me how is this any different?

Korea and China are too westernized. I have hope for Asia that it will be "improved". We need to de-Westernize Asia and make a firm and respected stand vis-a-vis the West.

I only hate the West because it destroys non-Western culture. I don't see the West stop destroying non-West at all.

[karakhitan]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

3rd the middle east is turmoil the same as its been for thousand of years. Lastly if you want to start pointing fingers and human right violations down through the history i have a very long list my friend. Iv said this before and i will say again any person who thinks their country is squeaky clean is not only blind but must shed their naivete.

In bringing up Middle East, I was mentioning what the US has already done in involving in other countries affairs, in order to point out that supporting CIA's Tibet clause is harmful. US has done a lot besides Israel. Attack on Yugoslavia, bombing Serbia, attack on Iraq, attack on Afghanistan, attack on Vietnam and Korea... none of them is really to support a "moral ground" they're all for the simple benefit of the US. Therefore "Free Tibet" has no future: US is playing them as a card, and so there's no reason support to such things.

[Sinestra]

Basically what i get from guys is this is the way things are dont have any hope in anything because there is no point. komitsuki you are negative about the west 100% so one could never expect to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Its funny i know exactly what you will say but it will make no difference. As said if anyone thinks they can run the world or any other country any better put up or shut up. If you think you can change things run then get your ass in office and stop complaining about it. Its perfectly natural to be negative about a lot of things in this world but when your negative all the time you start to get certain reactions. You guys can hang your heads low and bitch about what the US does. Try turning inwards on yourself and your native country. We might see it in our life time but im not ready to give up on any country yet.

You guys want to bitch about what the US has done. Dont get me started on my people and what they have been through in this country. you do not want me to release that dragon. Yet i still have hope for changes even ever so small ones. America is young country i say its in its angry teenage years it has a long way to go but i have no doubt it will get there.

Komitsuki i know exactly why you and Ronin dont get along and its not for the reasons you have stated its actually so simple you probably glanced over it. I leave the forums and come back ever so often hoping that there has been a positive change around here and each time im disappointed.

[Ryzorian]

The US does what it does for it's own interests, true enough.That isn't wrong though, as most countries look out for themselves. I also think the US "interfers" in so many countries cause it has this silly notion that it can fix them. Don't ask me where Americans get this idea from, it's just one of those insane quirks we have. Hell, we think Britian could learn from us and they are America's Mother country.

Some of the stuff the CIA does is to weaken or destabalize areas, I won't deny that. Again, many countries have secret organizations that do the same thing. The CIA just happens to be better at it than most, so they get all the attention.

However, much of what America itself does is ment in good faith, we really are trying to help more often than not. It's just that we are so ignorant of these regions, that we end doing more harm than good, as well as looking all emperialist. Still, America is a shineing light on the hill to alot of folks because of the "promise" it holds. Being free to make it on your own, to be successful, despite gender or creed.

I think the biggest disapointment some people have with the US, is how it doesn't live up to it's own professed ideals very well. I think that's more the human condition as apposed to the ideals themselves.

[tksensei]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Just as I expected. I knew you would say that. Welcome to the 21st century where propaganda's boundry is very flismy.

It's not a huge surprise for non-Chinese people to think "China = brutal propgangda!!!!!!" impulsively... like great "liberal democratic" pioneers. Very obvious.

I haven't seen blanket denunciations of China as a whole here. That having been said, the history and current reality of the CCP in Tibet has been quite brutal and involves a lot of the kind of childishly transparent propaganda that the CCP is known for - the kind of nonsense you are trying to pass off now.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by tksensei

the kind of nonsense you are trying to pass off now.

I don't care if it's a nonsense or not, I'm glad that China is doing a good job fighting America's financial and political powers without firing a single bullet.

Democracy has nothing to do with freedom. Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else. - Hans-Hermann Hoppe