6.684 Billion People, 30 Amur Leopards...

[MarkDuff]

Originally Posted by Deutschland

Try it, we will see how the leopard react -.-

I'm sure he probably already tried or in the near future he will

Are Amur Leopards super ultra cute?

you damn right their cute

[Henbaka]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Its quite evident that even in strength and athleticism we can go quite far. It all takes work that the majority of people just won't put in because of the "box" they put themselves in or are put in, when they are born.

Yes of course there are people of great strenght etc. I was talking about an average human. In general, people are not stronger now than they were a few hundred years back (probably weaker). So the evolution is going more towards weak&smart than dumb&strong (very simplified).

[Odin]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Because a) he told me to kill myself based on an earlier reply by me and b) he was derailing the thread from the beginning.
What I said was not because he was German but because he totally misunderstood what I was writing. I would've said the same thing to anyone else in the same situation.
Hope that clears it up for you.

I said earlier, "I'm not so proud, that I would never admit if I response was misplaced." I stand by this statement. I did go back and re-read the entire thread, and yes there was something there that I did not catch before. It appears that I am guilty of assuming, like yourself, that his response was based on his misunderstanding of English. It is now obvious to me that he knew very well what was said, and what he was saying in response. He purposely twisted your words, into that suggestion that you kill yourself. This should be of no surprise, given your rather adversarial nature.

As far as him derailing the thread, perhaps you too should re-read the thread. He and Tenchu were very much on topic, until your first post where you called his statement stupid and called him an ass. I hardly see how the suggestion that people need to leave the leopards alone, as being off topic. Especially given the fact that people were the cause of their situation.

Now personally I don't agree with that idea. With so few remaining animals left, it would be hard for any species to make a come back. This is even made more true by the now fragmented forests, caused by the clear cutting of their natural habitat. So our intervention may indeed be necessary for thier continued survival.

[Suki]

Alternative Solution!

Get samples of sperm from the fertile males and eggs from the females, get them together and wait for little babies to be born, take some of their cells and clone them (like, from different cells so that later on they can breed with one another) several times (so that there's two of each original member) until there're enough of them to creature a community, then keep them in a natural reserve for some years until they're ready to be dropped into the wild.

Pd.- Cloning is no longer sci-fi; the Korean lady did it.

[Henbaka]

Originally Posted by Suki

Pd.- Cloning is no longer sci-fi; the Korean lady did it.

And dolly in '96.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Odin

I said earlier, "I'm not so proud, that I would never admit if I response was misplaced." I stand by this statement. I did go back and re-read the entire thread, and yes there was something there that I did not catch before. It appears that I am guilty of assuming, like yourself, that his response was based on his misunderstanding of English. It is now obvious to me that he knew very well what was said, and what he was saying in response. He purposely twisted your words, into that suggestion that you kill yourself. This should be of no surprise, given your rather adversarial nature.

As far as him derailing the thread, perhaps you too should re-read the thread. He and Tenchu were very much on topic, until your first post where you called his statement stupid and called him an ass. I hardly see how the suggestion that people need to leave the leopards alone, as being off topic. Especially given the fact that people were the cause of their situation.

Now personally I don't agree with that idea. With so few remaining animals left, it would be hard for any species to make a come back. This is even made more true by the now fragmented forests, caused by the clear cutting of their natural habitat. So our intervention may indeed be necessary for thier continued survival.

Since this has suddenly become Judge Judy to you, let me outline how my "adversarial nature" was provoked.
Firstly he came about being quite rude to Tenchu for no reason whatsoever, save the fact that this thread was created. Obviously with the third paragraph of what you've written, it is quite evident that you feel the same way Tenchu does about the leopard situation. So it isn't a large stretch of the imagination why someone like me, who feels the same way, would be quite annoyed with his response. It's also no stretch of the imagination why I would call someone an ass when they were being one, with just cause.
It's quite evident what I define being "an ass", if you read the banter between Tenchu and Deutsch.
Secondly, you seem to have misunderstood what he meant when he "twisted" my words. He didn't "twist" my words but completely misunderstood what I said.
I wrote that there was only a reason for him to act the way he was IF someone had suggested that humans all die. He thought I had said that "it was alright for people to die", and hence said I should kill myself. It was nothing to do with a random outburst telling me to kill myself, as you've assumed.
Thirdly, the topic is about a "fact" that there are very few of those types of leopards left. Any sane person would know that leaving the Leopards alone won't solve anything and some sort of intervention is required.
This is why he was off topic and de-railing the thread, by needlessly diverting attention away from what the intention of this thread was.

Please, let me know if you still disagree.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Since this has suddenly become Judge Judy to you, let me outline how my "adversarial nature" was provoked.
Firstly he came about being quite rude to Tenchu for no reason whatsoever, save the fact that this thread was created. Obviously with the third paragraph of what you've written, it is quite evident that you feel the same way Tenchu does about the leopard situation. So it isn't a large stretch of the imagination why someone like me, who feels the same way, would be quite annoyed with his response. It's also no stretch of the imagination why I would call someone an ass when they were being one, with just cause.
It's quite evident what I define being "an ass", if you read the banter between Tenchu and Deutsch.
Secondly, you seem to have misunderstood what he meant when he "twisted" my words. He didn't "twist" my words but completely misunderstood what I said.
I wrote that there was only a reason for him to act the way he was IF someone had suggested that humans all die. He thought I had said that "it was alright for people to die", and hence said I should kill myself. It was nothing to do with a random outburst telling me to kill myself, as you've assumed.
Thirdly, the topic is about a "fact" that there are very few of those types of leopards left. Any sane person would know that leaving the Leopards alone won't solve anything and some sort of intervention is required.
This is why he was off topic and de-railing the thread, by needlessly diverting attention away from what the intention of this thread was.

Please, let me know if you still disagree.

You treat him as though his position on the subject is that of some mad man. Yet the strategy of leaving these animals alone, is a major part of the strategy of the Russian government. This strategy also receives the support of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF.) Russia has been removing almost all human activity from the leopards habitat. This includes the closing of roads in and out of the areas. So in effect they are trying to make sure that they are left alone! The only active conservation act, has been the reintroduction of some indigenous prey animals to the area.

Yes, it is true that, I have judged you, just as you have passed judgment upon others many times in this forum. I do not care for the way you treat people, who's opinions differ from your own. I choose not to conceal this fact. You are a very intelligent person, but I abhor the arrogant way in which you choose to dispense your knowledge.

On a last note, if you truly believe that his knowledge of the English language was a factor in his response to you, then you should re-review the Forum Rules/Etiquette:

• Remember this is an international forum; not everyone will have a solid grasp of the English language, please be tolerant of others mistakes, it may be a poster simply hasn't put accross thier point in a very concise manner; simply ask them to explain what they mean a little more; and if you DO get asked to go into more detail; it isnt an insult; it means someones interested, take it as a compliment!

Now, I realize he was trying to be insulting, so I didn't expect a kind response. However, to criticize his lack of English skills, was just plain wrong. It was very bad form!

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Odin

You treat him as though his position on the subject is that of some mad man. Yet the strategy of leaving these animals alone, is a major part of the strategy of the Russian government. This strategy also receives the support of the World Wildlife Fund (WWF.) Russia has been removing almost all human activity from the leopards habitat. This includes the closing of roads in and out of the areas. So in effect they are trying to make sure that they are left alone! The only active conservation act, has been the reintroduction of some indigenous prey animals to the area.

By leaving alone he meant to not bother with the situation at all and that this thread was a waste of time. This I know by the way he answered Tenchu. If he meant "leave them alone" the way you've stated, then I wouldn't have had a problem.

Originally Posted by Odin

Yes, it is true that, I have judged you, just as you have passed judgment upon others many times in this forum. I do not care for the way you treat people, who's opinions differ from your own. I choose not to conceal this fact. You are a very intelligent person, but I abhor the arrogant way in which you choose to dispense your knowledge.

I don't really care if you judge me. I'm more than capable of defending myself.
The fact is though that what seems arrogant to you is not arrogant at all.
I've had problems with people who are either a) ignorant on purpose or b) hypocritical. I've never outright attacked anyone for no reason. If you disagree with the reasons I argue with then that is your prerogative but from the fact alone that I respond based on reasoning should tell you that I don't mean to be arrogant and it is just the way you perceive things.
If someones opinion differs from my own, it is not a problem to me but what you seem to mistake for arrogance is just me tackling an issue the way I am used to tackling it. If someones opinion is based on ignorance and they let it be known on this forum, then it's an invitation for that opinion and what it is founded on, to be discussed, disputed and even ridiculed if the opinion is silly enough.

Originally Posted by Odin

On a last note, if you truly believe that his knowledge of the English language was a factor in his response to you, then you should re-review the Forum Rules/Etiquette:[/color]

Now, I realize he was trying to be insulting, so I didn't expect a kind response. However, to criticize his lack of English skills, was just plain wrong. It was very bad form!

I don't think you read the part where I said that he wasn't being insulting but misunderstanding what I had read. Even so, if someone told me to kill myself and meant it as an insult, why is my pointing out his lackof English even remotely a problem for u? I'm obviously going to reply back and what I said is quite a mild insult in response to what I was given.
That is IF he meant it as an insult, which I don't believe he did.
Like I said, if someone else had so blatantly mis-read my response, I would've said the same thing. Also, he probably isn't the best person to have as a witness () but Tenchu agrees with me.
It has nothing to do with not being able to understand English but a blatant lack of respect as a person, to try and understand what someone has written.

Originally Posted by Henbaka

Yes of course there are people of great strenght etc. I was talking about an average human. In general, people are not stronger now than they were a few hundred years back (probably weaker). So the evolution is going more towards weak&smart than dumb&strong (very simplified).

I'm not a believer of Evolution in that way. Therefore I think that no matter how average a person is, they can achieve a lot if they want. Be as strong as a Gorilla if they wanna be
Shame they got rid of the Evolution thread >.<

[Jaydelart]

It's a sad fact that animals are dying out like this.
Mankind can be very selfish.
... But, in this case, it's hard to simply point a steady finger at someone and accuse them as guilty.

It says that the Siberian Leopards are losing massive amounts of their natural habitat to logging and unnatural fires (for fertilization).
It would be simple to pass judgement on the loggers, if only I knew exactly where and how their logs were being used.

This is just another example of the complexity of life on this planet.
It must also be put into consideration that we're creatures of this world too; we require certain things to support our living...
And before someone attempts to use this argument against me, let me point out that it's within mankinds nature to be selfish. We are beings of expression and emotion... And that fact will never change.


One man alone cannot definitely improve the world, but he can definitely improve himself.

By being appreciative of the things I use and mindful of the sacrifices made for them, I become less of a threat to the planet.

At least, that's my light opinion on the matter.

There is also the issue of the less innocent poaching...

[Henbaka]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

I'm not a believer of Evolution in that way. Therefore I think that no matter how average a person is, they can achieve a lot if they want. Be as strong as a Gorilla if they wanna be
Shame they got rid of the Evolution thread >.<

Huh not to start up too much OT but, huh? A person can't just "evolve" during his lifetime like that. Sure, with the right substances he could be that strong perhaps, though...