6.684 Billion People, 30 Amur Leopards...

[Dainty]

Yes, they are adorable.
It's sad how many of them are...not there.
They are beautiful animals, and it's sad what's happening to them.


Humans are the most destructive animals ever. Nothing else could cause as much damage as humans have. (Except whatever else may be lurking in the universe ._.) The world would have been 'perfect' if we've never showed up, you know?

Yes, humans are 'special' in some ways, but too many of us don't give a damn. Closeminded, ignorent, destructive, selfish, pointless, egotistic, whatever else you could think of. The earth is just dirt to them.
Taking everything for granted.

Once the destruction of this place we call HOME has gone too far, I bet we'll never be able to rescue it.
And that's sad.
Who knows how far away that is?




Also on a lighter note, in Congo they found an area of forest that more than 100,000 endangered gorillas are living, previously unknown. And the way they found it was because hunters. Ironic.

[Suki]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

Sometimes people have to worry about feeding their own families, before they can worry about feeding someone else -- before they can work to save an endangered species of animal.

I know. I'm not saying everybody should give their paycheck to charity, people work hard for their money and so everyone has the right to spend it on whatever they want.

However, donating money to save animals that are about to go extinct when there's people who are actually dying all over the world isn't the most reasonable thing to do. But that's just me.

Originally Posted by Misa

I see no harm in caring about these things in equal measure.

Well, I don't think humans and animals have the same value as living creatures. I'm not saying though it's our place to make decisions for all other beings on the planet. Animals should be left alone, they're not out there for us to toy with, but fuck, this is people we're talking about, could have been any of us! And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all of us humans are worthy of being classed as such, sure this world is filled with motherfucking dicks whose mothers would have made the right choice by getting an abortion; however, I'd save a child from dying of starvation before I'd save the last of the Amur Leopards.

[Kanji_The_Wanderer]

Yes, those leopards are adorable.

Seeing something so cute makes you want to tame a little cub and make it your friend.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Suki

Well, I don't think humans and animals have the same value as living creatures. I'm not saying though it's our place to make decisions for all other beings on the planet. Animals should be left alone, they're not out there for us to toy with, but fuck, this is people we're talking about, could have been any of us! And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all of us humans are worthy of being classed as such, sure this world is filled with motherfucking dicks whose mothers would have made the right choice by getting an abortion; however, I'd save a child from dying of starvation before I'd save the last of the Amur Leopards.

Maybe it's easier to help those Animals rather than the people.
I once said that we (humans) wouldn't be able to help other things if we couldn't even respect ourselves. I still stand by that.
So really, to save those kids and dying people, you need to be able to fix whatever is causing their plight and the cause of that is other humans.
At the end of the day, it is humans who are putting the lives of other humans and animals in jeopardy.
How are we going to save anything when we can't even decide who the real cause of suffering is.

[allie2590]

Originally Posted by Kanji_The_Wanderer

Yes, those leopards are adorable.

Seeing something so cute makes you want to tame a little cub and make it your friend.

Yeah, too bad they are impossible to tame. You'd need sedatives to make them safe around people.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Suki

I know. I'm not saying everybody should give their paycheck to charity, people work hard for their money and so everyone has the right to spend it on whatever they want.

However, donating money to save animals that are about to go extinct when there's people who are actually dying all over the world isn't the most reasonable thing to do. But that's just me.

I was just stressing on the point you made about people not caring.
The rest I agree with you on.

[Altaru]

Let me start off by saying, I would gladly slaughter the majority of the human race to save the incredibly high number of endangered species that have only reached that point because of us. Like this one. It wasn't in natures plan for them to die, it was a side-effect of ours, and that is inexcusable.

That leopard... Is beautiful, I'd love to be able to see it in person, though I know I really shouldn't in the end.

I believe that the human race is rather... Inferior, in many ways. Primarily because of the most important factor in any species survival.

Adaptability.

Whereas animals have a bred-in ability to adapt to their surroundings by any means necessary, humans almost always have to adapt the surroundings to themselves.

However, whereas an animal can generally use what's around them to adapt themselves, humans almost always need outside resources. And, to the few that can survive off the land... Bravo, don't become like the rest of our pathetic race.

Not to mention, in order to obtain those resources, we most often need to destroy our surroundings and nature (ex. drilling, foresting, both easily destroy the surrounding habitat...).

Originally Posted by noodle

Simple reason why we're superior to ANY creature... WE CAN KILL THEM ALL...

Not sure if this has been said yet but...

I guess that means I'm superior to you.

I have access to multiple forms of weaponry, I know vulnerable points on the human body, and I have a knack for figuring out behavioral patterns and making plans.

If I had the inspiration right now, I could easily kill you. And you wouldn't even know what happened.

In fact, if this is the criteria that you judge superiority off of, than I know of only one person to whom I'm undoutably inferior, and that's only because she knows me as well as I know her. If and when I make any mistake at all, there wouldn't be a second chance.

Now, please, what do you say to that?


Oh, BTW, To most of those people who say "I'd save the dying child before the endangered species," let me ask you...

Inevitably, a human is at fault for both in some way or another unless a disease is involved. However, whereas humans had a choice in the dying childs case (parents could have taken better care, parents could have waited to have sex until they knew they were able to support children, another human could have helped the child...), the animal very rarely has a choice in it's own extinction.

You say you would save the child, who had more choice involved and is without a doubt unnecessary for this earth to reach its balance, seeing as how there's millions of others left should that one die, before the animal, who had no choice and would be survived by less than a hundred of it's kind... Why?

Also, let me pose to you another question... Would you have saved Adolf Hitler before an endangered species? And, if you said no, why would you make a distinction between saving a good human and a bad human? I mean, they're both human, they're both "superior" to the animal by many of your standards.

There a million more questions I could ask, but I think this post has run a little too long. I'll post again eventually...

[Aota]

Bravo... o.o

Truly, Altaru... I demand an encore. :]

[Acidreptile]

You are 100% right Altaru.

But let the clueless humans think they are superior.It is the best way they have to hide them inferiority.

[Henbaka]

Originally Posted by Altaru

Not sure if this has been said yet but...
I guess that means I'm superior to you.
I have access to multiple forms of weaponry, I know vulnerable points on the human body, and I have a knack for figuring out behavioral patterns and making plans.
If I had the inspiration right now, I could easily kill you. And you wouldn't even know what happened.
In fact, if this is the criteria that you judge superiority off of, than I know of only one person to whom I'm undoutably inferior, and that's only because she knows me as well as I know her. If and when I make any mistake at all, there wouldn't be a second chance.
Now, please, what do you say to that?

Now this wasn't aimed at me, but I'll comment on this (bs) first. One could say you are "superior" to another human by nature's standards if you can kill said human. This means that in the event of do-or-die, where it was either you or him/her, it would be you.

But that's not what we are talking about here, so it's irrellevant. We were talking about different species, not superiority amongst a certain species. I don't think you got either, that when we talked about superiority (atleast when I did), we meant superior as in this species survives, and that one doesn't. The ultimate outcome. This is not the "superiority" one means when they feel they are more intelligent, more beautiful, more successful than someone else. I don't feel humans are "more successful" than species like this leopard. We have just evolved very differently.

Originally Posted by Altaru

Let me start off by saying, I would gladly slaughter the majority of the human race to save the incredibly high number of endangered species that have only reached that point because of us.

I hate us too for bringing so many species to extinction. But this is just ridiculous. Would you start with yourself?

Originally Posted by Altaru

I believe that the human race is rather... Inferior, in many ways. Primarily because of the most important factor in any species survival.
Adaptability.
Whereas animals have a bred-in ability to adapt to their surroundings by any means necessary, humans almost always have to adapt the surroundings to themselves.
However, whereas an animal can generally use what's around them to adapt themselves, humans almost always need outside resources. And, to the few that can survive off the land... Bravo, don't become like the rest of our pathetic race.
Not to mention, in order to obtain those resources, we most often need to destroy our surroundings and nature (ex. drilling, foresting, both easily destroy the surrounding habitat...).

Not really. Yes, we fuck shit up. Yes I too hate that we are so many, and that it's really going downhill. But we do survive. I'm sorry but, in nature the strongest survives. Currently, that is us, and that's why animals die out and not us. By strenght I don't mean such stuff as physical strenght or agility, but also the skill and intelligence to build structures, weapons and tools that enhance our de facto strenght. This is how it is.

However, as we also have the intelligence to think about the negative effects and consequences of our actions, I really really think we gotta learn how to do that better. By that I mean that we should by now be intelligent enough to think of ways to live that does not involve making the earth uninhabitable for us or other animals, or drive other species to extinction for no reason.

Originally Posted by Altaru

Also, let me pose to you another question... Would you have saved Adolf Hitler before an endangered species? And, if you said no, why would you make a distinction between saving a good human and a bad human? I mean, they're both human, they're both "superior" to the animal by many of your standards.

Again ridiculous. A person with the mindset of saving a human before an animal would do so, and before AH made himself known to be evil, they would have saved him. Where to make a distinction? Easy, every human (well most) has standards by which they judge people to be good/evil/assholes/stupid/intelligent/whatever. This person would simply decide if AH(or anyone else) was worth saving by their standards.