McCain's Speech

[Sutiiven]

lmfao Tenchu Nappie'sOo? come on a am not dem or rep and i think i just have some decent views on politics and things that would help the spot and thing in the senate.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I'd personally find his years in the Senate more significant for the job as President than military, which to me, is irrelevant.

Really? Senators serve for the perks, pay, and the paybacks. Most soldiers serve because they love their country, despite the low pay and the dangers involved in the job.

The military trains people in leadership. When you arrive for military training, you are taught to obey orders. In time, you begin to give orders. The first NCO course is called PLDC, or the "primary leadership development course". You are taught to react in difficult (insanely difficult at times) situations, and lead your men through each crisis.

As a soldier, people's lives depend on your choices, and people die when you make mistakes. If a senator makes a mistake, he merely has to apologize.

I guess General Washington's military experience was of no use when he became president, nor was Grant's, Roosevelt's, Grant's, Jackson's, Harrison's, Taylor's, Haye's, Garfield's, Pierce's, Johson's, Arthur's, Jefferson's, Madison's, Polk's, Monroe's, Kennedy's, McKinley's, Truman's, Ford's, Fillmore's, Tyler's, Lincoln's, Buchanan's, Carter's, Nixon's, or Bush's.

If you think that military experience is irrelevant to the presidency, then you are too ignorant to be trusted with a vote.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Obama is doing it too, MMM, dont get carried away. I do not think the right way to win a campaign is through insults, however, and I dont support it. That would just be putting lipstick on a pig. But both sides do it...

Obama hasn't really bashed at all. Look at Obama's ads and compare them to McCain's. McCain's ads, seemingly, have points that can be easily disputed or either filled with lies. At least with Obama's ads, they attack the issues and counter them, not the person. McCain's side, imo, seem to be doing all the mudslinging, especially that lipstick pig thing. It's, apparently, a common phrase. Even McCain's used it in reference to Hilary's health care proposals, yet, no one called him out for being supposedly sexist.

During the September 9 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Fox News contributors Mike Huckabee and Howard Wolfson both disagreed with co-host Sean Hannity's baseless claim that Sen. Barack Obama was "talking about [Gov.] Sarah Palin" when he said, "[Y]ou know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig." Earlier during the program, Huckabee said of Obama's comment: "It's an old expression, and I'm going to have to cut Obama some slack on that one. I do not think he was referring to Sarah Palin." Similarly, Wolfson asserted: "[T]here's no question that he was referring to [Sen.] John McCain, not Sarah Palin, and I think anything to the contrary is ridiculous."

Media Matters - Hannity baselessly claimed Obama's "lipstick" comment was about Palin -- Huckabee, Wolfson disagree

I like the fact that a Republican even admitted that this entire thing is stupid, and if one listened to the entire speech, they'd know that it was taken out of context and twisted, since later on, Obama used another analogy, "You can wrap a fish in newspaper, but it still smells/stinks" something along the lines of that, saying he doesn't agree with McCain's economic plans.

If anything, the ones literally attacking Palin are Obama's supporters, and he can only say so much. He can say, "Don't do this", but there'll still be some who do the opposite, like the women who are only voting for McCain/Palin ticket because Palin's a woman. >_>;

[Sutiiven]

Just because Mccain was in for 22 yrs did not mean he wanted to kill it was a draft which put him in and unlike Clinton who fled the country when his number was called.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Really? Senators serve for the perks, pay, and the paybacks. Most soldiers serve because they love their country, despite the low pay and the dangers involved in the job.

Or they join out of obligation, or because they couldn't find any other type of work. I know most people join for those reasons.

That aside, I'd still go with someone who's held a political office more weight and consideration for a job as opposed to a person who served in the military. They'd probably understand how most politics work. Soldiers just do whatever their officers say.

If you think that military experience is irrelevant to the presidency, then you are too ignorant to be trusted with a vote.

I do feel it's irrelevant to base it solely on that, and I find this insulting. I feel that actually working in Washington and knowing how things work there should have more weight or actually holding a political office should hold more weight. That aside, on McCain's side, they keep going on and on about how he was a POW. How is his being a POW significant to being the leader of a country? I'm basing it solely on the issues, what each one wants to do for the country and consider which I feel would benefit it most, and imo, I feel that Obama would.

I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion, but you could at least respect it, like I did yours.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Sutiiven

Just because Mccain was in for 22 yrs did not mean he wanted to kill it was a draft which put him in and unlike Clinton who fled the country when his number was called.

IMO, I don't feel it's right to make people fight in wars they didn't ask to be in in the first place. You already have people in the military for that and it should always be assumed that you could be called in to fight in a war if you are in the military. It's very unfair to draft people who aren't, imo.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by Sutiiven

Just because Mccain was in for 22 yrs did not mean he wanted to kill it was a draft which put him in and unlike Clinton who fled the country when his number was called.

McCain was not drafted, he volunteered. You forget that he was an officer and a pilot.

And Clinton wasn't the only one who shied away from military service.

John Kerry only volunteered when his final deferment was denied, Bush II served in the National Guard, and Al Gore served his time as a clerk/typist with an armed body guard because his father was a former senator.

None of them ever saw combat. Kerry's purple hearts were a farce, the most serious one being won when he was hit by shrapnel from a grenade which he himself threw.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

Or they join out of obligation, or because they couldn't find any other type of work. I know most people join for those reasons.

That aside, I'd still go with someone who's held a political office more weight and consideration for a job as opposed to a person who served in the military. They'd probably understand how most politics work. Soldiers just do whatever their officers say.I do feel it's irrelevant to base it solely on that, and I find this insulting. I feel that actually working in Washington and knowing how things work there should have more weight or actually holding a political office should hold more weight. That aside, on McCain's side, they keep going on and on about how he was a POW. How is his being a POW significant to being the leader of a country? I'm basing it solely on the issues, what each one wants to do for the country and consider which I feel would benefit it most, and imo, I feel that Obama would.

You say "most"? You've obviously never served yourself, otherwise you would know how truly ignorant that statement is. I spent 6 years in the Army, and I know what I am talking about.

You should find my post insulting because it was meant to be. In my post I said "most soldiers", not all. There are some who enlist because of a lack of other options, but that number is, and always has been a minority.

Since when is "political" experience become a "must-have" on one's resume if one wants to be a leader? The word "politician" is synonymous with "crook" in modern language. Is there a rule that says we must replace crooks with more crooks? America is supposed to be led by the people, not by a hereditary class of politicians.

Don't ever vote with your heart, vote with your head. Vote for the best person, the the best sounding or the best looking person. People who put words or appearance above substance do so because they have no substance.

McCain sucks, I'll agree, but he sucks less than the alternative.

Working in Washington, in that never-never land of schemes, scandals, and corruption, is supposed to make you a better leader?

[Sutiiven]

oh lol threw himself thats bad. I thought George W bush was a Cheerleader in the military ?

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by Sutiiven

oh lol threw himself thats bad. I thought George W bush was a Cheerleader in the military ?

Both Bushes served in the military, but the elder Bush was a decorated pilot who flew in combat. He was actually shot down by the Japanese during WW2 and rescued by an American submarine.

Obama worked as a teacher and as a community organizer, so I guess that makes him superior, as apparently some people think that such things are better life experience.