Do people have the right...

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Ok then I believe that is absolutely wrong. Therefore I will play the "agree to disagree" card.

That's fair enough. It's not really something that can be debated, moreover it's just down to your own personal beliefs which I totally respect.

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I never said it wasn't selfish. I agree it's wholly selfish. My uncle committed suicide and even though he was deeply unhappy he still left all his family behind.

Fair enough. Seeing as we agree then, no need to take it further.

[aishiteru13]

i think it's just a peoples personality to be "depressed" and commit suicide.
If people only took a second to see and realize that there are in fact people out there getting killed, raped, dying of disease and took a really hard look at their lives they'd realize that their life isn't so bad
this is why pessimism is such a bad thing.
yes kids are brats
but we have the choice of taking the easy way out (suicide), or we can battle through and know that things can and will get better.
......or i'm just a stupid optimist who wishes all people were like this
lol
^_^

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by aishiteru13

i think it's just a peoples personality to be "depressed" and commit suicide.
If people only took a second to see and realize that there are in fact people out there getting killed, raped, dying of disease and took a really hard look at their lives they'd realize that their life isn't so bad
this is why pessimism is such a bad thing.
yes kids are brats
but we have the choice of taking the easy way out (suicide), or we can battle through and know that things can and will get better.
......or i'm just a stupid optimist who wishes all people were like this
lol
^_^

I think its not a personality trait. Everyone has the potential to be depressed and even commit suicide. You just gotta break the cycle.
Its not easy to look at something else and realise stuff so easily either. For example if you're in pain, is it easy to concentrate on something else and forget the pain?
I think the attitudes of people do nothing to help people who are in real need of help. As for those who are Drama Queens, well, then what you said entirely applies to them.
Besides, its good to be an optimist like yourself.

[EveV]

If someones wants to be a selfish like that.
Let them.

There's so little you can do to these people to make them sway away from those sort of feelings.

It's all on them.
It's nobody's loss but theirs.

You may not choose your own path at times but you sure as hell have the choice of accepting it or not.
Life is presented and judged in the eyes of the beholder.
If you someone is to blind to see what they have, then they have nothing.
Nothing at all.

[aishiteru13]

i just think it's so much easier for people to focus on all the bad in their life that they don't take a second to look at all the good

[yuujirou]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Fair enough. Seeing as we agree then, no need to take it further.

well that was a happy, albeit dull, ending.

just to toss in my two cents~

If the bloke wants to off his own head, I say let him do it.
There are going to be consequences of either action (to do or not to do).
If a loved person is suffering but still striving to live, his suffering generally has a tendency to rub off those close to him. And to keep a person from committing suicide is selfish as well.
To just let the man suffer so that you'll be quaint; That's selfish.

[allie2590]

Selfish or not, suicide is a choice that people make. I believe that people should be allowed to make their choices.

I understand that laws and rights are necessary, but I don't think they should restrict someone's free will.

[Salvanas]

Originally Posted by yuujirou

well that was a happy, albeit dull, ending.

just to toss in my two cents~

If the bloke wants to off his own head, I say let him do it.
There are going to be consequences of either action (to do or not to do).
If a loved person is suffering but still striving to live, his suffering generally has a tendency to rub off those close to him. And to keep a person from committing suicide is selfish as well.
To just let the man suffer so that you'll be quaint; That's selfish.

I didn't find the need to argue anymore, seeing as we both agreed!

Selfish or not, suicide is a choice that people make. I believe that people should be allowed to make their choices.

I understand that laws and rights are necessary, but I don't think they should restrict someone's free will.

People might be right to have their own choices. But if people started accepting suicide as a normal and common thing to do, then our population would slowly dwindle.

Then again, that's a good thing.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tyrien

It's all subjective to that person, regardless of those who listen feel it's correct or not.

I agree.
Sometimes what seems like a minor thing to someone else, may be a more serious thing to you.

However, although I can't say I understand another person's problems completely, when I'm not the one that has to live with them... I can place my judgement in the fact that you are ending your life prematurely.

In that aspect, I can feel that suicide is selfish and disrespectful.

Some people lose their lives when they want to keep it; Some people try to do their best to live after enduring horrible things in their lives.

In addition, Suicide isn't a choice that would effect only you. Ironically, you may be hurting those that love you deeper than any stranger ever could.
If you chose to do it in the public or even in a place that people would discover you, you could scar people's minds with the memories of your lifeless corpse (or what's left of it). And that'd be one of the last impressions you'd make in this world.

There are different kinds of suicide that also need to be considered: Suicide to "gain" something, to protect something and - what I'm talking about - to escape something.

Ultimately, it is their choice whether or not to commit suicide.
... But they can still be judged for making that choice... and they can still be wrong.