Do people have the right...

[emiluvsjmusic]

1: Do kids have the right to commit suicide for such problems when we have people being raped, abused, dieing of starvation, or have some sort of lethal disease who still strive to survive?

I dont think people need a right to commit suicide, its more their own choice. Not that I would ever commit suicide for those sorts of things but its a personal decision.

2: Do adults really have the right to be depressed for long periods of time or (even at all) over such problems, when we have people being raped, abused, dieing of starvation, or have some sort of lethal disease who still strive to survive?

Same thing here, but I think that if they have the main income for a family in a poor financial situation, or something like that, it would be unfair for to their family to do that.

[Suki]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

1: Do kids have the right to commit suicide for such problems when we have people being raped, abused, dieing of starvation, or have some sort of lethal disease who still strive to survive?

Yes, they do. Suicide is a personal choice.

Originally Posted by Salvanas

2: Do adults really have the right to be depressed for long periods of time or (even at all) over such problems, when we have people being raped, abused, dieing of starvation, or have some sort of lethal disease who still strive to survive?

Yes, they do. Being depressed isn't something you choose but something that falls upon you.

[SGTOkinawa]

(Disclaimer: the following post may contain misspelled words, grammar errors and typos. I regretfully inform you that I'm horrible at grammar, spelling and forming complete sentences. Please try your best to understand the meaning rather then the grammar of the post)

There are a variety of reasons posited or given for suicide:

Mental disorders
Suffering
Unrequited love
Stress
Grief
Withdrawal or discontinuation of psychoactive substances
As philosophically or ideologically motivated move
To escape punishment or an abusive environment
Guilt or shame
Catastrophic injury
Financial loss
Self sacrifice
As part of a military or social strategy (e.g. suicide attacks)
Belief that life has no inherent value (e.g. absurdism, pessimism, nihilism)
As part of a religious or cult doctrine
Loneliness
To restore honor (e.g. seppuku)
Curiosity for post-life occurrences
Fear of aging
Unresolved sexual issues
Drugs as in the paradoxical effect of some sedatives, or the loss of ones mental state to make clear judgment calls.
Judicial suicide

But seeing how this is a forum for Japan:

Aokigahara in Japan is the second most popular place in the world (behind the golden gate bridge in San Francisco California) to commit suicide.

If a person is under the list above, they can very well be in a position to commit suicide, however, as many have stated, the individual being reserves the right to choose that action it is what makes us alive.

You play a game because you can lose, not because you always win, if you did not have the option to die, there would be no reason to live. God placed us on this earth for a reason, it is up to us to try to find the answer and suicide is not the correct answer, ever. Look at Hellen Keller, and ask yourself, try to do better or give up, she went on to do amazing things later in life, had she taken her own life, we'd not seen the beauty she had inside.

Hellen Keller Story



Peace!

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by SGTOkinawa

Hellen Keller Story



Peace!

Indeed, Hellen Keller and thousands of other people.

Once suicide becomes accepted in society, its game over for that society and even humanity.

[NanteNa]

Defining it like this is really unfair.

Feelings are one of the many things that people have no control over and you can NOT decide whether people have the 'right' or not to commit suicide. That's just stupid. They don't have the ''right'' to commit suicide - they have the choice. When you get far out there to even consider it, then you definitely have your reasons to do so.

[MissMisa]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

Indeed, Hellen Keller and thousands of other people.

Once suicide becomes accepted in society, its game over for that society and even humanity.

So you think if it's okay for people to commit suicide, everyone will do it?

I'm sure most people wouldn't do it, legal or illegal, accepted by society or not accepted by society. Suicide is a personal thing, I really don't think someone on there death bed thinks - wait! Society doesn't accept this! I really don't think those kind of people give a damn, and I really don't think it'd make much of a difference.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by MissMisa

So you think if it's okay for people to commit suicide, everyone will do it?

It's not what I "think". It's what is quite easily possible.

Originally Posted by MissMisa

I'm sure most people wouldn't do it, legal or illegal, accepted by society or not accepted by society. Suicide is a personal thing, I really don't think someone on there death bed thinks - wait! Society doesn't accept this! I really don't think those kind of people give a damn, and I really don't think it'd make much of a difference.

Maybe you don't understand what i've been saying.

If people on their death bed start thinking its fine, then it could easily move on from there to other things. How would anyone be able to stop it? What argument would you use against teens, gamblers, alcoholics etc who all have every reason to kill themselves because their lives sucked. You're gonna sit there and tell me that's fine?
So yes, it wouldn't make a difference in the short term to people who are dying but it would make a difference to society because once it becomes accepted, you would be an absolute hypocrite to stop anyone else from killing themselves.

[SGTOkinawa]

Originally Posted by ivi0nk3y

It's not what I "think". It's what is quite easily possible.



Maybe you don't understand what i've been saying.

If people on their death bed start thinking its fine, then it could easily move on from there to other things. How would anyone be able to stop it? What argument would you use against teens, gamblers, alcoholics etc who all have every reason to kill themselves because their lives sucked. You're gonna sit there and tell me that's fine?
So yes, it wouldn't make a difference in the short term to people who are dying but it would make a difference to society because once it becomes accepted, you would be an absolute hypocrite to stop anyone else from killing themselves.

Don’t worry mankind has stood the test of time and if suicide was a possible "fateful end of mankind" we'd all not be here right now, humans (thank God) have a built in desire to live, only those that chemically lose control or have that part removed from their brain (accident, gun shot wound, etc) have the capability to commit suicide, plus WHY does it even exist,...

Survival of the fittest.

Again, Helen Keller, even SHE had the desire to live, imagine the crazy world that was in her mind until she figured out how to communicate.

Peace!

[ThirdSight]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

In africa, for example, are people there committing suicide? Are the people that have lethal diseases committing suicide?

No they aren't. They are striving to survive. The people who end their lives for something like someone close dieing, or debt problems, and the like, come across to me as selfish human beings.

Please back this up, or it didn't happen. Yeah, the suicide rate may not be as high as the Americas, but that doesn't mean it's zero. Then again it could be, contrariwise, you still need to back this up.

Originally Posted by Suki

Yes, they do. Being depressed isn't something you choose but something that falls upon you.

This is the silliest statement I've read so far. The only time depression isn't a choice is when it's literally become an uncontrollable psychological disorder for the person. Please think about what you're trying to say before you type it out, otherwise you just sound silly.

Take away all the drama of life/death/suicide/dealing with it and you get this: everyone's just trying to live their lives the best way they see fit. They're writing their life story, with their friends and family as characters in it; themselves being the main character. Problems arise when other people think they're important enough to try to live other people's lives for them. Let them do what they will, though strictly personally, I find it a bit foolish to end yourself.

But that's just me.

[theAlphaDuck]

People that kill themselves are Idiots....

there is no problem in this world that can't either be solved...or that you can't run away from