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10-07-2008, 07:20 PM
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I can also post different lists, like this one, but it won't prove that Alphies conclusion is completely wrong 
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10-07-2008, 07:22 PM
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It won't make sense from a Western way of thinking. But that doesn't mean it's brainwashing.
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10-07-2008, 07:25 PM
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 I didn't say AlphaDuck's conclusion was "completely wrong" I simply said that all these suicidal angsty teenagers are always living in such NICE countries.... isn't necessarily true.
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10-07-2008, 07:30 PM
To make the statement more relevant, we could possibly say that, "All these suicidal angsty teenagers are always living in such nice conditions."
Then again, this whole thread has changed its topic to (a) "I'm right," thread or (b) "My life's shit yet I'm still kicking," thread, so its most likely more worth it for me to shut my face at this point. How in the world do people reach 1,000+ posts?  Skadoosh.
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10-07-2008, 08:02 PM
none of the data can REALLY be quoted as it is to general and does not give specifics...e.g it does not take into account countries where euthanasia is Legal....or the AGE of the suicide victims...
also it does not take into account the different coronors court laws throughout the world...what is classed as Suicide in one country may be classed as "death by missadventure" in another. regarding brainwashing.... its not about bushido culture....i know a bit about Japanese Culure...and most of those Samurais that killed themselves Honourably...had thier heads chopped off as soon as thier own blade entered thier gut...something i was suprised to learn... brainwashing happens when... someone is taken out of thier normal enviroment...and given step by step indoctrination...to sacrifice them selves for whatever cause... do you really think that Kamakazi pilots or suicide bombers had 20 mins of training and where then ready to calmly fly into death? NO the honour culture may have done some of the ground work.... but trust me...psyops is something i know about...and brainwashing is a TOOL used by many... Japan does have a culture that lends itsef to suicide...but that does not mean that an element of brainwashing is needed... but i feel this is taking the thread in an offshoot direction.... the OP is clearly regarding teen angst suicides in nice countries..... and thus my statements regarding this hold up... but i will re-afirm them... suicide by self absorbed teenagers...is selfish...these people should look at life for what it really is. MMM i am MORE than happy to discuss brainwashing, suicide tactics, social hypnosis, social conditioning etc. but i feel its a conversation for another thread....if you start it...i WILL reply... i am always more than happy to share my knowedge Peace
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10-07-2008, 08:07 PM
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People are commiting suicides in all over the world no matter what their reasons are, and all I wanted state is that posting any statistical list won't prove anything. So you and Alphie are both wrong, and both right.
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10-07-2008, 08:19 PM
Ah, suicide...
There are just some things that people can't deal with, mentally/emotionally speaking. It's more than their psyche can handle, and once they've tried medication, and therapy, and they still just feel so dag overwhelmed... They snap. And, break out the pills in hope for an overdose. Or a gun for a happy little game of Russian Roulette. It's heartbreaking, hopefully, to their family and friends, absolutely. But... I think you just can't help the helpless. The color of the sala flower reveals the truth that is... To flourish is to fall. The proud do not endure.
Heaven or Hell, Let's Rock! Like a passing dream on a night in Spring. The mighty fall at last, to be no more than dust before the wind.
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10-07-2008, 08:19 PM
Sorry….
…. to misguide the topic, suicide bombers and kamikaze are in a whole another topic. But to explain why… (sorry but trust me they are not lumped into the general suicidal tenancies as stated in the original post) OP was -- “My life is Shit” and yes, MMM is right that is inherently a western culture type of statement, MMM is right, Alpha Duck is off a bit, but I see how he is trying to connect the two and sorry duck, they are very slightly related, … it was my bad attempt at using a well know forum of suicide to explain that suicide is not weak. Brainwashed persons are just that, people, they are NOT soldiers, solders are not brainwashed, and they are trained, big difference. When military trains them in a “vacuum” like environment, it is not brainwashing, that pilot could turn the plane if he wanted too, … , the term suicide is not even remotely close to explaining that era of mankind and today’s bombers. Sorry I even brought it up… however, I related that because it was an easy example of how Suicide is BUILT INTO the human DNA. That is all. WE CAN TAP THAT TYPE OF CHEMICAL UNBALANCE EITHER BY DRUGS, TRAINING, OR YES< BRAIN WASHING, BUT KAMIKAZE ARE NOT BRAIN WASHED. Again it was not intent of my post to get all the way out here in left field. Fact: Suicide exists because we are an advance form of life that has "conscious state of being" and can choose to commit suicide if we choose to. People that are suicidal are and always have been in some form or another in a chemical imbalance, (Google it) there are many reasons, see my first post. Anyone who "feels” suicidal is in the early stages of self “down time". From time to time is a normal part of life. But when sadness takes hold and won't go away, it may be depression. Some of you are talking about depression. More than just the temporary "blues," is the first step to suicidal tries and the lows of depression make it tough to function and enjoy life like you once did. A person with severe depression has little or no interest in work or hobbies, and may even have trouble getting out of bed. With treatment and help, you can feel better. Learning how to understand depression – including its signs, symptoms, and causes – is the first step to overcoming the problem. I hope we all learn something, no one here is qualified to judge, explain, or prove anything, we can only give examples and post links, no one is right, or wrong, the only true fact is… check my first post: Suicide is a possible choice for some humans due to chemical imbalanced in the brain as described in medical journals. If you know someone that is moving beyond the levels of clinical depression, seek help, don’t guess at it or try to “help” having one more person “bugging them” or trying to relate is only going to make things worse, some people ultimately require chemical intervention, a vacation or a change of life and diet to help them out. Best to make sure we don’t leave any “what if’s” in this thread should one of our younger folks get a hold of this thread. God Bless, Hewa! Peace! SGT_Okinawa U.S. Army Retired 38 years old Married w/2 kids Virginia, USA 
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10-07-2008, 08:25 PM
I don't wish to derail this thread any further, and I don't feel the need to start a new thread about kamikaze pilots, but as fun and interesting as conspiracy theories can be, I don't think you can dismiss Bushido culture completely from the kamikaze of WWII.
And Aniki, I can accept your conclusion. Now back to emo angst having nothing to do with Japan!
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