Discussion corner: The Media and the effects.

[Salvanas]

Firstly: MMM, I'm not talking about "The Media" like you're saying. I'm talking the different aspects of it. The news, films, journalism, games, the internet. All types.

Secondly: I, like Josh 50% agree with you Ronin. I agree that it makes a difference in kids, because kids are more susceptible to such things. But then again, when a person ages, the effects become nullified by the person's capability of having their own thoughts and knowing between right and wrong.

Misa: There's another Theory also, I'm not sure if you've heard of it. It's sometimes called Hall's theory. It's the theory that the audience and people are actively engaged with the media. People react, and de-code a piece of media text (Text as in a sort of media, be in advertisement on tv, or a piece of writing) differently. There are three types of ways people "de-code" the texts.
'Dominant Reading' - Where the audience accepts the "message".
'Negotaited Reading' - Where the audience half accepts the message, and half disagrees.
'Oppositional reading' - Where the audience disagree outright with the message.

I personally think the right theory, in my views, is Hall's theory. Because it's the basis of how we perceive the media. Just think, when you're watching TV, how many things you ignore, or listen to. (Let's use adverts for an example).

Let's think of an advert... hmmm...

Ah. A McDonalds advert that advertising a new burger. They have their saying that :"It' 100% beef" and that "It's really tasty!"

Now each one of us would judge that advert differently. Personally, I'd be half half, whereas I know that itd be tasty, I'm not sure if it's 100% beef.

Sorry for the rambling, I just wanted to show that theory, and I seem to ramble on at times. Either way, It's mostly still clear on what I mean, I hope.

[ante]

Originally Posted by MMM

This is such an ethereal question. You see the news. You read a book. You buy a comic. You watch a TV show.

How these things affect "you" is different not depending on "the media" but depending on "you".[/quote]

So what you're saying is, pretty much, that propaganda through media doesn't work? It is all up to "us" to distinguished between the different realities presented?

Of course we have choice in the matter, I'm just saying that we only get one side of a story, we are much more inclined to believe that side. Even if it's true or not, the whole truth or completely taken out of context.

Originally Posted by MMM

This has turned into a JF standard. "I am tired" is not an excuse for how you post. If you are in no state to post properly, then don't post. As Keaton says, go outside and take a walk and get some sunshine.

Then come back, put your head together and post.

I misread a questions and replied, get over yourself.

[ante]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Let's think of an advert... hmmm...

Ah. A McDonalds advert that advertising a new burger. They have their saying that :"It' 100% beef" and that "It's really tasty!"

Now each one of us would judge that advert differently. Personally, I'd be half half, whereas I know that itd be tasty, I'm not sure if it's 100% beef.

Interesting. I would probably see it the other way around. The 100% beef is stated as a fact and if the burger wasn't 100% beef it would be false advertisement. Which is illegal in a lot of western countries(but knowing how that industry works, I still wouldn't be entirely convinced).

The It's really tasty part is very subjective and just because some or most people find it tasty, that is no guarantee I will.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by ante

So what you're saying is, pretty much, that propaganda through media doesn't work? It is all up to "us" to distinguished between the different realities presented?

Of course we have choice in the matter, I'm just saying that we only get one side of a story, we are much more inclined to believe that side. Even if it's true or not, the whole truth or completely taken out of context.

I am saying propaganda through the media only works if that propaganda is a unified message, like in N. Korea. Everything that goes against that message isn't allowed.

We don't have that in the West. We are told Bush is good, and Bush is bad. The war in Iraq is good and the war is bad. A band rocks or a band sucks. There is no unified message in what we are bombarded with, so any propaganda isn' effective.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Salvanas

Secondly: I, like Josh 50% agree with you Ronin. I agree that it makes a difference in kids, because kids are more susceptible to such things. But then again, when a person ages, the effects become nullified by the person's capability of having their own thoughts and knowing between right and wrong.

on at times. Either way, It's mostly still clear on what I mean, I hope.

the effects only become nullified if the person becomes aware of their behaviour.

I used to live in London and would see chav kids copy their behaviour from chav adults. In America ghetto kids become ghetto adults. Not that I would go as far as saying that chavs are the media's fault... rather age does not bring about nearly as much wisdom as you suggest it does.

So how does one become aware of their behaviour? As I said before.... social responsibility and awareness is the answer I believe.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by JoshAussie

I agree, - You cant really compare dirty back alley video stores to the world wide web (Of Porn) - I forget the percentage i read but it was like 95% of the whole web is just Porn. - Not sure if thats true, but thats what i read and it didnt surprise me.

Also I cant believe how much more "Nakedness" (lol) - Nudity that you see on cable TV these days. Im sure there are many parents that are thinking (Tonight for example) - "A show about Zombies? It must be ok if its only on at 6pm!" The first thing i saw when i turned it on was a stripper with her boobs out - Sorry She was actually an "Actor" "Playing" a Stripper.. with her boobs out.

But it happens so much now not as many people "Care" (not the best word but it works") Anymore. Its become more accepted than Rejected.

If your a parent and youv got cable TV and your a (Safety Fanatic??) Then youv got your work cut out for you. I hardly ever Watch tv - But i know if i go to the movie selection channels im either going to see somebody kill somebody or some dude bang some chik.

- Another topic. I dont want to get into it BUT.

Why are people so uptight about nudity? Parents should stop trying to shield their kids from.. The human body, It would be so much better.

Theres what 6 billion + people in the world, No evidence of a "Higher Power." (Besides, "Mother Nature.") But we know for sure that pro-creation is the key to keeping our species alive. But yet, Some people dont want there kids to see some boobs? What the fuck?

Why is something so natural so shielded from children by their parents?

By Shielding your kids your turning something natural into something un-natural.

Fuck i missed the sunrise - fuck fuck fuck.

I hate this thread.

I blame religion, Stop letting people tell you something "Wrong" And "Obscene" When its natural and totally norm.

Or have you got a problem with the human body?

Nakedness is not the issue... There is nothing wrong with nakedness. There IS something wrong with sexual objectification and degradation which is the real issue. I have no problem going with my hypothetical children to an art gallery and seeing a sculpture or vase painting depicting naked people. I would have a problem with them seeing a man treat a woman like a sex object in a porn movie.