Japanese Whaleing/Retard Politics.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

So... They should whale in an even crueler method, taking protected whales that are in direct danger of extinction?

Okay then.

I was only highlighting the fact that Japan is full of sh*t when it cites tradition.. but I suppose if they use the tools they did back in the day it would severely limit the damage they could do to the whaling population and it would restrict whaling to Japanese waters so I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Also why have you ignored the point I made about the Ainu fishing rights?

Japan are hypocrites... citing tradition when it comes to whaling but denying Ainu access to wild salmon in the name of tradition?

Originally Posted by Nyororin

If the world feels that they should stop, then the laws should being changed to prevent it. If they`re using a "loophole" - then close the loophole. At this point in time, it is legal, and I see any violent attacks against them because you don`t agree with them WAY out of line. Petition those who control the thing, not attack the little guys who are out there making a living.

Even those in Japan who are against whaling find Sea Shepard and their tactics flat out terrifying.

And, as mentioned before - Japan is not the only country whaling. But they`re the only ones I ever hear are attacked...

New Zealand has been working with it's anti-whaling allies to close the loophole.

Overall I think Sea Shepherd is doing a great job in stopping the whaling. I don't think violating International law helps their cause but if it is true and Japan made no money out of this "research" then good on them. They've won the battle.

The whaler's are not the innocent "little guys" to me. They are a cog in the machine that is Japanese whaling enterprise. They deserve everything they get.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I was only highlighting the fact that Japan is full of sh*t when it cites tradition.. but I suppose if they use the tools they did back in the day it would severely limit the damage they could do to the whaling population.

Also why have you ignored the point I made about the Ainu fishing rights?

Japan are hypocrites... citing tradition when it comes to whaling but denying Ainu access to wild salmon in the name of tradition?

I don`t recall ever saying that tradition is a valid reason to continue on with whaling. I do recall saying that I don`t particularly support the whaling at all.
I`d be perfectly happy if it were stopped. I don`t see it as necessary at all.

The thing that I am complaining about is the actions of Sea Shepard.

It is legal by an international organization, but not every recognizes the fairness of that. You can call it illegal.

Then push to make it illegal by means of the international organization. Attack them when they disagree.

And still, no one has touched on why Japan is being attacked left and right but not Norway, Iceland, or any other country that is whaling in a commercial capacity.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

The further north you go, the more prevalent whale culture becomes - just as the Japan sea coast of Japan has a crab culture that is in a different league than the rest of Japan. Apparently in some areas, the meat for curry is whale, you eat whale burgers at school, etc. I think that the Kansai area is the area with the lowest consumption, so it`s not a big surprise that you didn`t encounter it. I can`t say that it`s eaten all that much around here either, but it does exist on every menu at every izakaya / ippin-ryouri place I`ve ever been to.
It`s like the otsumami of choice among the older men.

Like almost everything else, you remind me that things are different in Kansai. I have heard of schools where the staple meat is whale, but I would think that is the exception, not the rule.

Ronin, we get it. You want whalers dead. Keeping saying it doesn't bode for reasonable debate.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

Ronin, we get it. You want whalers dead. Keeping saying it doesn't bode for reasonable debate.

What?

It's only a fraction of what I said.

You make it sound like it's my main point.

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I don`t recall ever saying that tradition is a valid reason to continue on with whaling. I do recall saying that I don`t particularly support the whaling at all.
I`d be perfectly happy if it were stopped. I don`t see it as necessary at all.

The thing that I am complaining about is the actions of Sea Shepard.

I was just explaining my point. I thought you didn't understand it.

Originally Posted by Nyororin

Then push to make it illegal by means of the international organization. Attack them when they disagree.

This organisation is a forum and it's consensus is not law. As far as I understand the only thing that holds these countries to their word is that they've all committed to the CURRENT rulings. Japan has used the current rulings to continue it's commercial whaling.

Originally Posted by Nyororin

And still, no one has touched on why Japan is being attacked left and right but not Norway, Iceland, or any other country that is whaling in a commercial capacity.

I'm not sure about Norway and Iceland and their activities.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

What?

It's only a fraction of what I said.

You make it sound like it's my main point.

You said it more than once. I am just saying it doesn't add to the reasonable debate.

[Nyororin]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I was just explaining my point. I thought you didn't understand it.

I didn`t think that it was directed at me, as I have never supported whaling and never cited tradition as a reason to continue it.

This organisation is a forum and it's consensus is not law. As far as I understand the only thing that holds these countries to their word is that they've all committed to the CURRENT rulings. Japan has used the current rulings to continue it's commercial whaling.

But it would definitely be a start to push to make them rule against whaling altogether, in my opinion.

I'm not sure about Norway and Iceland and their activities.

Norway takes as many whales as Japan, in a completely commercial capacity. They`ve supposedly said that they would continue no matter what, have been pushing every year to take even more whales, etc. Iceland takes about half? If I recall correctly.
Japan gets all the publicity. Painting Japan as an enemy is a whole lot easier than doing the same to Norway, and various groups have stated this.

If people are against whaling, they should be against whaling - not against whaling if Japan is doing it.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Nyororin

I didn`t think that it was directed at me, as I have never supported whaling and never cited tradition as a reason to continue it.

You did rubbish my suggestion that Japan return to traditional whaling practices if it was truly about tradition

Originally Posted by Nyororin

But it would definitely be a start to push to make them rule against whaling altogether, in my opinion.

Well what do you think the anti-whaling group have been trying to do?

Originally Posted by Nyororin

Norway takes as many whales as Japan, in a completely commercial capacity. They`ve supposedly said that they would continue no matter what, have been pushing every year to take even more whales, etc. Iceland takes about half? If I recall correctly.
Japan gets all the publicity. Painting Japan as an enemy is a whole lot easier than doing the same to Norway, and various groups have stated this.

If people are against whaling, they should be against whaling - not against whaling if Japan is doing it.

Well fine.. I'm against Norway and Iceland too.

Japan hunts in close proximity to New Zealand and Australia and we are the most vocal anti-whaling nations out there. So perhaps it's simply a matter of geography on a governmental level why Japan is the target here.

[ivi0nk3y]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

It is selfsih to neglect animals simply because we are smarter than them. We need food, so we can farm animals like pigs, cattle, chickens, Ronin4Hire, sheep, so on, but the world is too populated to step out the back door and just go on hunting any old animal right now.

LOL your valid point aside, I think if Ronin4Hires were any part of our diet, we'd all be dead by now.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

And what if the "kings" are sitting on their arses doing nothing?

People should stand up for what is right more often. The reason they behave like this is because it is becoming clearer and clearer that this kind of action can often be the only thing that can induce change.

People should stand up for what is right, I agree. But they should also make the right decisions.
Beating a child because his father did you wrong is, in essence, a mistake; Throwing objects at workers because you disagree with their bosses is, similarly, a mistake.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

That might sound noble, but it just doesn't work.

I gave an example of how money can over rule law. No one replied to my post and it was a tad disheartening. But the point was, Japan is a big player in the market, and vile criticism of anything about a country can have massive implications. Unfortunately, and now more than ever (global financial crisis), the governments place the economy above nature.

If civilians, not government representatives, do not make a serious manouver against corruption like this then there is a good chance no one will. Some issues have to be dealt with this way. It is sad, but true.

It is selfsih to neglect animals simply because we are smarter than them. We need food, so we can farm animals like pigs, cattle, chickens, Ronin4Hire, sheep, so on, but the world is too populated to step out the back door and just go on hunting any old animal right now.

A mass extinction is going on against many species, people like to deny its us, I find it a little amuseing they can deny it when these animals sit on their plates in front of them...

LOL! I doubt that. I mean, the whales will all be gone eventually... then I suppose we better protect Sea World... bastards'll try and scunge the last of 'em from our marine zoo's...

Even when we're on the same side I cringe at some of your points.

What mass extinction are you talking about? The world is not over-populated YET (but is heading towards it). There's a sad fact that you've probably heard before that the world has enough food in it to currently feed everybody.

(See here if that sounds unbelievable

World Hunger Notes--Global Issues: World Hunger Facts 2008 by World Hunger Education Service )

The world produces enough food to feed everyone. World agriculture produces 17 percent more calories per person today than it did 30 years ago, despite a 70 percent population increase. This is enough to provide everyone in the world with at least 2,720 kilocalories (kcal) per person per day (FAO 2002, p.9). The principal problem is that many people in the world do not have sufficient land to grow, or income to purchase, enough food.

I also think the colourful adjectives you use to describe Japan are either exaggerated (if you believe that this issue defines their reputation on the world stage) or redundant (if you believe all governments are "scum" so to speak).