Japan intends to distance itself from US (politics)

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

It is a lot more complicated than that you're right. If Tibet was declared independent, China's responsibility as former occupier would be to transition it to independence (like what the US is supposedly doing in Iraq i.e. fixing the mess they created). Failing that the International community (i.e. the UN) would hopefully step in like they did when Timor Leste broke away from Indonesia.

Ronin Ronin Ronin, you are just digging yourself a bigger hole.

ehem, this might come as a surprise to you, but CHINA IS THE UN! They are one of the permanent members of the UN security council and has the power to veto any action proposed to the UN. Unless they are on drugs, I don't think they will say "YES let's invade ourselves". I mean your points are so off the charts, I don't know why I bother replying anymore. It only shows just how little you know about China.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Many states haven't stepped in because of China's power. But in saying that many states make an issue of it whenever officials meet. The US included. It is pretty safe to say that the West dissaproves of China's occupation of Tibet.

Lol. Yeah, that will explain why the British government finally recognized China's presence in Tibet officially.

By your perception, the British government will avoid unnecessary conflicts with China in the first place, not kowtowing to the Chinese government with utter shame like approving China's situation and dignity.

Your idea is starting to crack up like a Chinese pastry.

[fluffy0000]

kirakira-Are you questioning the 'competent leadership' of China? When the 'fat lady' sings at the end of the day and China is holding a 'butt load' of US Treasury Notes?
Maybe you should check out who US Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner and Fed Chief work for? It's not the US government. -It's CitiGroup and Goldman Sachs etc. If there was functioning 'free speech' actual independent media here in the US -the runup to this financial collapse would not be reported as failure of the financial system but the looting and transfer of wealth to upper 1% who played casino through the financial markets.

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

kirakira-Are you questioning the 'competent leadership' of China? When the 'fat lady' sings at the end of the day and China is holding a 'butt load' of US Treasury Notes?
Maybe you should check out who US Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner and Fed Chief work for? It's not the US government. -It's CitiGroup and Goldman Sachs etc. If there was functioning 'free speech' actual independent media here in the US -the runup to this financial collapse would not be reported as failure of the financial system but the looting and transfer of wealth to upper 1% who played casino through the financial markets.

Yes China should not have bought T-notes, now they are as screwed as the US. They know it now but its too late.

Yes 'free speech' is good for the US at the moment, and there are a lot of smart people who are speaking the financial truth in the US except NOONE is listening.

I don't understand your last point.

Here is a question for you, what do you think will happen when government starts to print money 24/7 to stimulate more reckless spending with nothing in the bank and a national debt heading towards the moon?

[fluffy0000]

The financial markets have moved beyond a fudicary relationship except to themselves san's county , flag or political power. The lack of a functioning independent media ' the fourth estate' speaks for itself. Hello neo liberalism!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by kirakira

Ronin Ronin Ronin, you are just digging yourself a bigger hole.

ehem, this might come as a surprise to you, but CHINA IS THE UN! They are one of the permanent members of the UN security council and has the power to veto any action proposed to the UN.

What?

You might want to read the UN charter.

Charter of the United Nations

Article 1

"2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; "

Originally Posted by kirakira

Unless they are on drugs, I don't think they will say "YES let's invade ourselves". I mean your points are so off the charts, I don't know why I bother replying anymore. It only shows just how little you know about China.

What?

I've only ever said that China invaded Tibet this whole time. Can you read?

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I've only ever said that China invaded Tibet this whole time. Can you read?

Obviously you don't read what you write so let me remind you.

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Failing that the International community (i.e. the UN) would hopefully step in like they did when Timor Leste broke away from Indonesia.

You said you are hoping that UN would step in to separate Tibet from China when China (which Tibet is a part of) has veto power in the UN security council. Seriously Ronin... I'm doubting you even know how UN works

Btw you probably don't even realise this but you are not even arguing against my opinion, these are facts I'm stating. You are arguing against facts and guess who is going to win?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

"2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; "

My goodness. We have a UN-mania in this forum? This is depressing.

Since when did UN represents all countries despite the only countries that actually have influence over the UN issues are very few.

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Since when did UN represents all countries despite the only countries that actually have influence over the UN issues are very few.

Exactly and one of those countries includes China. Ronin haven't got the slightest clue how UN works and he is hoping when Tibet declares independence, UN is going to save them when China has veto powers in the UN security council.

Even if I supported Tibet independence, I wouldn't have said something so stupid.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by kirakira

Obviously you don't read what you write so let me remind you.



You said you are hoping that UN would step in to separate Tibet from China when China (which Tibet is a part of) has veto power in the UN security council. Seriously Ronin... I'm doubting you even know how UN works

Btw you probably don't even realise this but you are not even arguing against my opinion, these are facts I'm stating. You are arguing against facts and guess who is going to win?

Oh please... it was an oversight on my part. And it was hardly a big one.

You make it sound like I just lost all credibility.

So China will probably veto any transitional UN force... my point is not lost.

A multinational transitional force is still possible.