Q:your views of china's current and future problem.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by kirakira

I'm cuious on this "respect" from the west? Why does China need it? I thought it already got that from the US according to Hiliary Clinton from the last visit. Human rights? errr no let's talk treasury bond.

IMHO, China just needs to walk it's own path and ignore the western hippies. Which is of course what it is doing.

China needs respect from the West because it can't survive on it's own. No nation can.

About Hillary Clinton... and "respect from the West". I never spoke on behalf of the West. I clearly said if China wants my respect then it would have to do those things. I'm glad you brought up respect from the West though. China may have it in some respects... but China is not on par with most modern nations when it comes to reputation.

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

but China is not on par with most modern nations when it comes to reputation.

Give it time, it was only 30 years ago that it had the same reputation as North Korea.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

The last time I noticed, there has been some plan for years to get rid of the one child policy for good. But it needs a steady step to do this.

China has been like this for centuries. Same as Korea even today.

Oh well, we need more Chinese immigrants in the west anyways.

Why do we need more Chinese immigrants in the West?

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Let's see if this happens. Well, can't see it in any ways.

I can't see it either... which is why it is likely I'll never respect China

Originally Posted by komitsuki

But President Ma loves China than his own Taiwanese people. After 8 years of Taiwanese independent party being dominant in Taiwanese politics... and never achieved anything besides a crippling economy in early 2000.

Taiwan lost its chance to be independent.

First of all... Taiwan is for all intents and purposes, independent even if very few states officially recognise it as such. (Seperate military, system of government)

Second I wasn't talking about independence. I was talking about respecting the will of the Taiwanese. If Taiwan CHOOSES to become a part of China then that's their call.

Though I don't see why it would forego it's local democratic autonomy for an authoritarian central government.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

It will be aide if Americans gives support to African dictators. Remember several ex-British countries in western Africa?

I'm guessing your point is that the West's track record in Africa is not very good. You're absolutely right... I'm not making excuses for the West... you're making excuses for China though.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Thank goodness that America has become a loyal servant to the Chinese government.

You're deluded.

[noodle]

China will continue to rise, but like every nation/empire, one day it will fall! But, considering China's history and it being the oldest liiving civilisation in the world, I'm sure this cycle will keep repeating.

Ronin4hire, luckily China doesn't need your respect ey!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by noodle

Ronin4hire, luckily China doesn't need your respect ey!

Luckily? So you condone all China's actions?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I can't see it either... which is why it is likely I'll never respect China

And?

I can't see it either... which is why it is likely I'll never respect China

And?

First of all... Taiwan is for all intents and purposes, independent even if very few states officially recognise it as such. (Seperate military, system of government)

Independent but rejected by almost all of the world. Just like Turkish part of the Cyprus.

Second I wasn't talking about independence. I was talking about respecting the will of the Taiwanese. If Taiwan CHOOSES to become a part of China then that's their call.

You said "leave Taiwan alone". Wouldn't that be supporting independance?

Though I don't see why it would forego it's local democratic autonomy for an authoritarian central government.

Western style democracy = bad for Asia

See South Korea

I'm guessing your point is that the West's track record in Africa is not very good. You're absolutely right... I'm not making excuses for the West... you're making excuses for China though.

But you have been a pro-West advocate from your posts. You are either:

1. really love the West
2. really hate China

there is no middle ground for you almost all the time... even though you said that you don't like the west, you wouldn't want to criticize the west with passion.

You're deluded.

Lol! You made my day. Thanks. Another deluded UN-worker wannabe I encountered in my internet life. Man, kudos to you, UN cadre.

Originally Posted by noodle

Ronin4hire, luckily China doesn't need your respect ey!

Luckily we don't need to consider Ronin4hire seriously thanks to his flamboyant posts. Sorry for everybody in this forum but this is how I think.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Luckily? So you condone all China's actions?

Hell no! If I had to agree with all the actions made by a country (or even person) for me to respect them, I wouldn't respect any!

I respect China for the simple reason that they ARE trying to improve (and they are doing so succesfuly).

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

And?

Just making my point...

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Independent but rejected by almost all of the world. Just like Turkish part of the Cyprus.

Really? Turkey/Cyprus is like China/Tibet... not China/Taiwan.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

You said "leave Taiwan alone". Wouldn't that be supporting independance?

No... it means let the Taiwanese people decide what they want instead of insisting that they are a part of China, even though clearly they aren't.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Western style democracy = bad for Asia
See South Korea

South Korea seems to be doing just fine.

Originally Posted by komitsuki

But you have been a pro-West advocate from your posts.

Not pro-West... Pro International liberalist (and not just economically speaking)

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Lol! You made my day. Thanks. Another deluded UN-worker wannabe I encountered in my internet life. Man, kudos to you, UN cadre. Luckily we don't need to consider Ronin4hire seriously thanks to his flamboyant posts. Sorry for everybody in this forum but this is how I think.

Was that necessary?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Was that necessary?

Of course. But still I love your very straight-forward attitude instead.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by noodle

Hell no! If I had to agree with all the actions made by a country (or even person) for me to respect them, I wouldn't respect any!

I respect China for the simple reason that they ARE trying to improve (and they are doing so succesfuly).

How are they trying to improve? Bear in mind I'm talking about the CCP... For the record I respect Chinese culture and traditions and whether or not I respect a Chinese person has nothing to do directly for being Chinese. (Of course if they're a Chinese nationalist then I would disrespect them for that)