Korean missile...

[MMM]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

My bad, I meant the senate (actually there's around 55 seats belonging to the Democrats). My point still stands there's really no opposition to getting any bill passed by Obama or democrats which is a huge problem seeing how the system is supposed to be a two-party.

It has been less than 100 days since Obama has taken office and he has hardly a free ride in terms of what he wants to get done.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

That post is sarcastic.

No sarcasm at all.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Point being he forgets why we fight, and the fact that we CANNOT let Iran get an nuclear weapon, that is the only country right now that we can even prepare for. He has even down played there arrogant and threatening nature. Terrorism does not constitute an police matter, it's an act of war.

I made no comment about Iran, and I agree 100%

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Obama does, I mean when you through political correctness on the matter, your asking for trouble. I do also believe by the way things do go, a lot of people have forgotten it.

I can't understand what you are saying here. But trust me. no American has or will forget 9/11. To say so is silly.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

No, it wouldn't seeing how Bush actually fought an War on Terror. He didn't call it an "man-caused disaster". Obama has shown he doesn't care to call Terrorism and the War of Terror what it is. Also when you stop an Terrorist trial for political gain your asking for it.

When we fight wars against countries and call them something that they are not, it is disingenuous. The war in Iraq is not a war on "terror". It is a war on Iraq. It is the same with the "War on Drugs" that Pres. Reagan enacted. That was a good ride for some nice invasions.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

When you have the Tim Geithner come out and say he open to a word currency (thus causing the dollar to all even more) and the guy who picks him does not chastise for that comment you have an problem. Then you have at the G20 "charter of sustainable economic activity," trumpeted especially by France and Germany, mixes statements of the obvious with rhetoric that baldly calls for the U.S. to relinquish its sovereign authority over economic policy to a global government. Of immediate concern is the charter's appeal for global, supranational financial regulation--a clear European power grab to contain and diminish the role and freedom of the U.S. financial sector. Wither you like the those commentators or not does not change if they speak facts every know and then.

I don't know enough to say you are right or wrong on this point. The news is still coming in here. You can be sure that American people have no desire to remain the world's police (a position probably established by them) so change is afoot. I would love to see France and Germany establish more authority, especially in their nearby surroundings.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

OK so Gitmo constitute torture, the only thing that is even controversial is water boarding

If that was all, then there wouldn't have been a controversy. There was all kinds of torture besides waterboarding. That is the one that got political attention.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

, which was only done to a very few number of people. Umm, there prisoners of war fellow, they would go back to kill Americans if we let them go.

We have spent years torturing men who know nothing. Torture them, and then they tell something. What they tell is "whatever it takes to make you stop torturing me".

So we should detain them because we tortured them and now they will want revenge?

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Secondly there where criminal cases being processed there, but because Obama wanted to close it without thinking that causes those cases to be dropped (to be picked up at a later date) which has very serious impacts that can lead to some terrorists going free. There are cases for people going free, thus the system did work. Iraq, he would not admit the surge worked, which by the way does not give him the credit to ask for an surge in Afghanistan when you would not admit to being wrong about the first surge.

Like I told AlanX, open a newspaper. 1) no criminal cases are being dropped. People without charges against them might be let go, but that is two different things.

2) He never said the surge in Iraq didn't work. This has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

3) He is planning in moving troops into Afghanistan... so I am not sure what you saying.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Oh and your Rush statement "I hope Obama fails" wasn't heard by I guarantee that because that quote is so badly misconstrued to make him look horrible. Actually listen to the ACTUAL CONVERSATION.

Transcript

"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it."

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh - I Hope Obama Fails

I didn't misconstrue a thing. Rush Limbaugh hopes the new President will fail. His words: I hope he fails. How is that a good thing? How is that positive? It isn't. It is negative and divisive.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Jaydelart

When it comes to politics, I've listened to a lot of people, both Con. Republican and Lib. Democrat, rant off on things they have only heard from other people... Which I find amazing. I don't take you for a person that would, but I wanted to make sure, just in case.



You can skip to 5:50 for the more relevant content.

Like I said, I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't hear the words from his mouth. Please don't associate me with those that spout with no foundation.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by MMM

Like I said, I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't hear the words from his mouth. Please don't associate me with those that spout with no foundation.

Hehe... Never again.

What did you think about the clip?

[Goku]

North Korea likes to rattle it's sabre once in a while to get some attention and remind the world that it has one. It feels (and it's usually correct) that its a good way to extort more concessions/freebies from the rest of the world. The UN will umm and uhh over this problem and end up bribing North Korea to cease and desist.

[AnthraxAttack]

Originally Posted by Kenpachi11

i still dont know...i still think the tungsten will burn..tungsten is also a really good heat conducter.

Tungsten will not burn, because the heat shields on space shuttles are made of tungsten. Basically it is you vs. NASA scientists on this one.

Many of you need to relax. North Korea -- even when Kim's ego is on top -- is not so stupid that they would attack and western country and it allies, or any former communist country. There are several reasons for this. First of they lack of resource, regualr missiles or or a nuke or two wont get them anywhere. If they were to stand a chance, they would have to send a barrage of nukes that they don't have. And the second and most important reason, they have nothing to gain from it. They would not be able to sustain a occupation force in any country long enough to gain anything. The world would also boycott North korea if they were to attack someone.

Many of you people should take what they say on The Republicans Show on The Redneck Channel with a grain of salt. Obama would not sit down and see his country get destroyed.

[solemnclockwork]

MMM,

did you actually listened to it? Cause if you did you can not set here and write that you didn't misconstrue anything. Like the transcript has said talking about Liberalism He even says liberalism, which is what Obama stands for.Saying that Obama fails and What he stands for are two completely different things.

Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held. It's not my fault newspaper don't report everything. He said it would never work, and has since never said he was wrong. It matters on the first surge, which he is just copying bush on tactics that may not work in Afghanistan.It sure does have something to do with what where talking about seeing how I was the one who brought it up, and you said this

I don't know what surge you are talking about, but imprisoning and torturing our enemies is not the type of behavior that gets them to back down.

Watch also this
URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4vlBgh7KLg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4vlBgh7KLg[/url]

Please, tell us with how we are torturing, unless you actually provide proof of "other" torture you cannot make that claim. What techniques are we using besides water boarding? Do you actually know they know nothing, what about those who actually gave information? they don't want to kill us because were "mean" to them, they want to kill us because where westerners. Also you don't allow enemy combatants out when a war is still going on, regardless of what you do to them there going to go back and try to kill someone else on your side.

Please, do tell what wars besides Granada that Reagan has put us through on "war on drugs". Iraq (going into Iraq was an intelligence mistake, where there now so we have the responsibility to fix that country) is not the problem it's the fact that he calls our wars "over seas contingency plan" which is strange because I don't remember anyone except those who actually want to be friends with terrorist causing an concern over the old name.

What I'm trying to say is He has thrown political correctness over the matter with this "man-caused disaster" and "over seas contingency plan". With the way Americans are we don't forget the event we forgotten what it meant.

Yeah, we are able to talk a lot about it, but as far as actual congress objections, they like spending. the stimulus bill being the main concern, Not one congressman has read it before it passed, tell me that isn't wrong. The problem is our Government doesn't represent us anymore, and has become corrupted.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by AnthraxAttack

Tungsten will not burn, because the heat shields on space shuttles are made of tungsten. Basically it is you vs. NASA scientists on this one.

Many of you need to relax. North Korea -- even when Kim's ego is on top -- is not so stupid that they would attack and western country and it allies, or any former communist country. There are several reasons for this. First of they lack of resource, regualr missiles or or a nuke or two wont get them anywhere. If they were to stand a chance, they would have to send a barrage of nukes that they don't have. And the second and most important reason, they have nothing to gain from it. They would not be able to sustain a occupation force in any country long enough to gain anything. The world would also boycott North korea if they were to attack someone.

Many of you people should take what they say on The Republicans Show on The Redneck Channel with a grain of salt. Obama would not sit down and see his country get destroyed.

No, he wouldn't what we question is how lax he may be. Your also forgetting that North Korea does sell arms, and that's the problem. Sure North Korea is not going to attack anyone, but who says a terrorist cell will not? How about we take what we get and actually back it up with facts? Seriously stop with the basing of Republicans.

[Jaydelart]

Originally Posted by AnthraxAttack

Many of you people should take what they say on The Republicans Show on The Redneck Channel with a grain of salt. Obama would not sit down and see his country get destroyed.

I think maybe one person made that statement.
I personally believe he wouldn't either... But seriously, there are a lot more Liberal Democrat shows than there are Conservative Republican. I think if anyone would require more to retain an independent opinion, it would be the Liberal Democrats.

I agree with you, however. Starting a war can be a very complicated decision.
Let's just not forget that we're talking about Kim Jong Il. I wouldn't depend too much on his rationale.

[cridgit001]

This is random but I think it's still relevant, does China have nukes and ICBMs? I ask because if they didn't(I don't know if they do which is why I am asking) I guess the only thing NK could do is sell it or give it to them.

I find it interesting how no one mentioned how badly it is for the people in NK. That since the government has been pursuing this, their own people have pretty much gone by the way side.

Washington Times - Starving North Koreans executed for stealing food

Granted this is kinda old but I seriously doubt its gotten any better.

[Goku]

Originally Posted by cridgit001

This is random but I think it's still relevant, does China have nukes and ICBMs? I ask because if they didn't(I don't know if they do which is why I am asking) I guess the only thing NK could do is sell it or give it to them.

I find it interesting how no one mentioned how badly it is for the people in NK. That since the government has been pursuing this, their own people have pretty much gone by the way side.

Washington Times - Starving North Koreans executed for stealing food

Granted this is kinda old but I seriously doubt its gotten any better.

Yeah, NK is probably a nasty place to live for most. Always sceptical about news stories but here's another: 150,000 Witness North Korea Execution

China has nukes and missiles to put them in. Well ahead of NK, so I don't think China needs any help from that direction. NK's been known to sell arms to half a dozen other countries tho, including Syria, Libya and Pakistan and there are concerns of possible collaboration between NK and Iran.