What's wrong with Americans?

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by MMM

Why the filibuster? I shouldn't have asked in the first place....my fault.

(But are you actually reading the quotes you are posting?)

Yep. supporting my arguments with new research that not truly tested yet. then again my argument is ethical.

I posted three alternatives that are out there, that does not involve destroying life to save life. to support my argument, on two fronts one is ethical secondly I'll elaborate again, we simply do not know where the field is going to go. I will much rather error on the side of life.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by MMM

We are not at war with Islam, and to say so is simply ignorant. Thank you for pointing that out again.

Stem-cell research is a new field. There is no reason not to explore the possibilities it may open up in fighting diseases like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer as well as people with fertility problems and a host of other issues.

"I don't know how effective it would be". So therefore we shouldn't explore the possibilities? Come on.

I am curious as to why being pro-life would mean that stem-cell research wouldn't be feasible. Doesn't a woman's body "abort" an egg every month she isn't actively getting pregnant?

Significant parts of Islam are at war with the West, and though the west may deny they are at war with Islam, well, it takes 2 to tango, doesn't it? The war in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, who are fundamentalist Muslims. We may say that we are fighting against extremist individuals, but we are also fighting against the belief system that drives their actions.

As for stem cell research, that's tricky. Stem cell treatments have shown promise, and some treatments using them have been successful. But these successes lie only with adult stem cells, or those obtained from umbilical cord blood. After years of attempts there has not been one single successful treatment involving the use of embryonic stem cells. In order for embryonic stem cells to be more or less matched to patients, they must be cloned. In effect, a life must be created, and then destroyed in order to treat a disease. This is where the problem lies with embryonic stem cell research. Nature has it's own way to deal with severe disease, and that is death. People die, and new people are born to replace them. It seems fundamentally selfish to deny a life in order to save another which has already spent it's time in the world. It's almost comparable to someone eating their children to prevent their own starvation.

[Ningyou]

I don't think the problem is people being American--it's like everything else, you can't condemn the whole group. I know people that are incredibly hard working and not overly self indulgent.

Things suck here right now because of the economy, and whether people are for, against, or don't really care about Obama in general doesn't really matter anymore. Just like when Bush was president most people hated him at the end of it and couldn't really do anything about it, since they're the ones who put him in office to begin with--TWICE.

But hopefully things start looking up here. But although I have said many times that I wish to leave the U.S. someday, I think that will only be to travel for a few years and return. Because no matter how much Americans talk shit about this country, it's still your homes.

Try to fix yourselves and then maybe other people will follow and things will get better.

If you don't want to do that, then sit back, download some more porn, and let the stereotypes continue

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Significant parts of Islam are at war with the West, and though the west may deny they are at war with Islam, well, it takes 2 to tango, doesn't it? The war in Afghanistan is against the Taliban, who are fundamentalist Muslims. We may say that we are fighting against extremist individuals, but we are also fighting against the belief system that drives their actions.

Could you explain what you mean by significant parts of Islam? Do you mean the religion itself or the people that follow the religion?

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by Ningyou

I don't think the problem is people being American--it's like everything else, you can't condemn the whole group. I know people that are incredibly hard working and not overly self indulgent.

Things suck here right now because of the economy, and whether people are for, against, or don't really care about Obama in general doesn't really matter anymore. Just like when Bush was president most people hated him at the end of it and couldn't really do anything about it, since they're the ones who put him in office to begin with--TWICE.

But hopefully things start looking up here. But although I have said many times that I wish to leave the U.S. someday, I think that will only be to travel for a few years and return. Because no matter how much Americans talk shit about this country, it's still your homes.

Try to fix yourselves and then maybe other people will follow and things will get better.

If you don't want to do that, then sit back, download some more porn, and let the stereotypes continue

Exactly how do things "suck" in America right now? How is your life affected? What hardships are you personally enduring?

Do you think Europe is a better place? European unemployment is about double that of America. In the more socialist parts of Europe (like Sweden), the number is closer to quadruple (or higher).

Many young Americans claim that "America sucks" because they've been brought up to "question authority". They think for some reason that it is cool or trendy to be cynical or even rebellious in their opinion of their country. That's not difficult to do to people who have never been anywhere else, and who take the opinions of others rather than going to the trouble of forming their own.

Eintein said to "question everything". He didn't say that because he wanted to prove things wrong; more often than not, he wanted to prove things right.

The Constitution states: We the people, in order to for a more perfect union..." There is no such thing as a "perfect" union (or country). But America is as close as it gets.

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by noodle

Could you explain what you mean by significant parts of Islam? Do you mean the religion itself or the people that follow the religion?

Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

Ok, but that doesn't really answer my question.

As for the religion being used to oppress and control thing, I'd say thats more of a cliche than anything. Religion is also a tool that brings hapiness, hope, togetherness and much more to billions of people. But of course, this is rarely mentioned in todays world, which is of course a world that is moving furthar and further away from religious ethics and beliefs as each day goes by. Religion has also helped in the advancement in many fields of study all over the world. Lets not forget that the muslim world was centuries ahead of the rest of the world in its golden years.

At the end of the day, religion brings people together just as it pushes them apart. It all depends on the situation, but religion is in no way Evil! A few rotton apples doesn't make the whole thing a shamble!

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Religion is merely a belief. It is people who give it voice and action. Too often religion is a tool used to oppress and control rather than as a means toward happiness, peace, or salvation.

God is not shooting people, nor is he telling them to blow themselves up and kill others to further his glory. So it's obviously the people who are at war, and so it is against those people we fight.

Using your logic one could conclude that the West is also fighting a war against Christianity too.

The only country which really has such a fundamentalist Islamic society in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia.. and ironically it's the United States best friend in the region alongside Israel. Even Iran has a thriving Jewish minority believe it or not. (Seriously switch off FOX news)

[isisbathory]

Originally Posted by XOXkAWAIiXOX

Sorry if there is already a thread for this.

I don't like America very much, but it is my homeland and I get very offended when someone says that Americans are lazy and stupid. Not all Americans are like that. I am not lazy and I'm actually very smart. I study in and out of school. What's up with all these stereotypes against Americans?? I hear it all the time and most of it isn't completely true! Please inform. Arigato.

I just dont like the fact that many or most of the americans seem to think that they own the world, and what I find even more stupid is that some people seem to believe in that, and to look at american people as some sort of Gods, for me that's idiot

[cridgit001]

I own the world? Since when. I see no deed for it?