Ninja Vs Samurai

[Debi]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I someone calls this a war, then the truth is the only conflict is in their own head...

Yes, we're animals with big brains... so are elephants... WOW.

You are shopping for trouble !

You know what I meant by that.

[Atakicat]

We ARE animals... The only thing that sets us apart, is that we developed tools, and slightly higher mental capacities..When it comes down to it, most humans revert to animalistic ways at the drop of a hat, given a stressful situation, those primal instincts come flooding back

[Atakicat]

Wow, this thread took quite a turn, BTW

[Debi]

Originally Posted by Atakicat

We ARE animals... The only thing that sets us apart, is that we developed tools, and slightly higher mental capacities..When it comes down to it, most humans revert to animalistic ways at the drop of a hat, given a stressful situation, those primal instincts come flooding back

Do you know that a crow can developp tools ?

They made some tests, the freaking crow took a brooch, bend it, and used it to get grains that was otherwise out of reach.

Go ninja go ninja go !

[Reavyn]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

We are animals, silly. Rape is animal nature, then it is our nature. Not everyone would do so, but without law there would be enough rapes happen to honestly say that is just the way things are.

Hate to break it to you, but rape is not animal nature. What would be the use of mating dances and such in nature? There are recorded acts of an animal raping another. If you've ever seen such on a documentary then you will notice that the animal that is raped acts just like a human that is raped. It feels quite violated and ashamed. Even in nature it is looked down on.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Debi

Hmm... is it really your argument ?
Pretty weak, don't you think ?
I let you take it back and find something better.

Have you ever thought about what would happen if rape was legal and socially accepted ?
That is social reason that make us refrain our sexual nature, nothing else.

At some point in social groups, there is only 2 choices left : Submission or Confrontation.

Maybe in your utopic way of thinking everyone should be just the same and have the same ressources but unfortunately, pure communism is a fantasy. There is no such things. Human should be born all equal but they are born differently, some more smarter and stronger than others. Therefore, wealth is distributed unequally. Authority is distributed unequally. That is the nature. The strongest of the lion get all the females while the weakest are kicked out. If the weak one want his share of females, he have to come back and confront the dominant male. Do you really think its so different from humans ??

For exemple, if my family was starving and the only ressources available where at my neighbor and he didn't want to give me any, I would go at war against him to get my share of food.

It's just natural.

Huh? Where'd you get the idea I'm a communist or a socialist?

The only difference between me and you is that I don't make stupid assumptions about human nature.

Why? Simple reason... I'm human and I don't have these so called urges that you think are natural.

It's not a weak argument... and I won't take it back because you haven't sufficiently countered it.

My argument is based purely on the fact that I believe the ability to reason and think rational thoughts are the only things which can truly be described as "human nature".

To sum up what I'm saying... I believe that BECAUSE OF the ability to reason, the perpetuation of the idea that a particular behaviour is innately human is usually used by people who want to justify immoral behaviour.

For that reason... APART from the ability to reason and rationalize our surrounding and manage our biological urges to a degree... no affirmative behaviour is innately human.

I am not arguing that conflict runs against human nature... I mean I agree with what you said before... war can be rationalised... but that does not make it human nature.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Multiple reason, perhaps.

First, choice is probably the more correct word. We can choose to be violent or not violent. That is natural.

Second, natural selection is failing in the human species. In a more natural world, say 10,000 BC, certain characters failed and weak people died, thus only strong genes were passed on. It is not so anymore, with any pathetic moron able to survive in this society.

If you have no will or ability to fight, Ronin, then I doubt you'd fare so well in a natural world. So perhaps you're a biological failure?

The part I bolded is as far as I agree with you....

If the choice to be violent is a natural one... then why is the choice to be non-violent not natural?

I mean why would you go further than the ability to choose to describe human nature when a human can rationalize either way depending on circumstance?

Also you show your narrow mindedness when you call me "weak". Natural selection is still at work. Your idea as to what constitutes as superior is your problem. To "survive" in the world intellect is as important as physical prowess. How the heck do you think we've come so far as humans? You have a very Spartan outlook on life... it's a shame the Spartans were eventually conquered... otherwise you might have a point and I might take you seriously.

BTW it's irrelevant but I'll have you know that I train almost everyday and have been an active interest in the martial arts since I was a kid.

[Debi]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Huh? Where'd you get the idea I'm a communist or a socialist?

The only difference between me and you is that I don't make stupid assumptions about human nature.

Why? Simple reason... I'm human and I don't have these so called urges that you think are natural.

It's not a weak argument... and I won't take it back because you haven't sufficiently countered it.

My argument is based purely on the fact that I believe the ability to reason and think rational thoughts are the only things which can truly be described as "human nature".

To sum up what I'm saying... I believe that BECAUSE OF the ability to reason, the perpetuation of the idea that a particular behaviour is innately human is usually used by people who want to justify immoral behaviour.

For that reason... APART from the ability to reason and rationalize our surrounding and manage our biological urges to a degree... no affirmative behaviour is innately human.

I am not arguing that conflict runs against human nature... I mean I agree with what you said before... war can be rationalised... but that does not make it human nature.

Our problem right now is that we fail to correctly define what we mean by "human nature".
Human nature... it's pretty much a lousy concept.

So..........

Ninja or Samurai ?

[Pexster]

They are both awesome, but Samurai's are honorable, Ninja's are sneeky.
I can never pick between something I like. -_-'

[Debi]

Originally Posted by Pexster

They are both awesome, but Samurai's are honorable, Ninja's are sneeky.
I can never pick between something I like. -_-'

There is a solution to such a problem

It's called COIN TOSS