Ninja Vs Samurai

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

Only righteous in the Confucian and Zen Buddhist (Rinzai or Soto) contexts and point of views,

Really? How so?

So Zen buddhism and Confucian thought would endorse a law which enabled Samurai to execute peasants who they deemed disrespectful?

Zen Buddhism and Confucian thought would endorse unquestioning loyalty to his master no matter what as well as a feudal caste system?

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

Really? How so?

So Zen buddhism and Confucian thought would endorse a law which enabled Samurai to execute peasants who they deemed disrespectful?

Zen Buddhism and Confucian thought would endorse unquestioning loyalty to his master no matter what as well as a feudal caste system?

It is that Bushido the product of Confucianism (more like neo-Confucianism) and Zen Buddhism. Both of them reinforce each other under the particular medieval Japanese political situation throughout a long span of history.

Particularly the Edo military governance is the pinnacle of Confucian style of rule.

Confucianism brings the social attitude; Zen Buddhism brings the philosophical contexts of why this Confucian social attitude is justified. Both are attentively look up the role and value of what is to be a samurai historically (the military people usurped the old imperial rule).

Confucianism is not about law; it's about man's merit of being worthy to rule a state or people. Hence, modern legalism in Confucian-cultured countries does not work well straightly. And it contributes the unusually bad ups-and-downs in East Asian politics.

Overall, it is just the social system at that time that influenced this style of rule.

I don't know if I answered your question well.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

It is that samurai's Bushido as we know is the product of Confucianism (more like neo-Confucianism) and Zen Buddhism. Both of them reinforce each other under the particular medieval Japanese political situation.

Confucianism brings the social attitude; Zen Buddhism brings the philosophical contexts of why this Confucian social attitude is justified. Both are attentively look up the role and value of what is to be a samurai historically (the military people usurped the old imperial rule).

Confucianism is not about law; it's about man's merit of being worthy to rule a state or people. Hence, modern legalism in Confucian-cultured countries does not work well straightly. And it contributes the unusually bad ups-and-downs in East Asian politics.

Overall, it is just the social system at that time that influenced this style of rule.

I don't know if I answered your question well.

I don't know either... I really don't know much about Confuscious thought apart from the fact it emphasises social harmony and the family.

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by BrickBeat

I like both Ninja and Samurai, both have a unique style. But i think shaolin Monks beat them all XP

Do any of us REALLY know considering they are long gone

[Sutiiven]

i say ninja over samurai but do think location, weather, and what type like rocky or etc have a factor

[pumpum]

ninjas are always gonna be cooler than samurais there is just too much going on with them, with samurais all u really get is the sword !

[Kanji_The_Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

That is so wrong in every way...

I'd have to agree, the Samurai followed the code of the Bushido, they were amazing, serving as lords of the land and so on. Ninjas were in the shadows most of the times, while the samurai were out on the front.
Of course the ninjas were equally as amazing but they already get a lot of recognition.
So I'd have to go with the Samurai, they are just too awesome.

[pumpum]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

That is so wrong in every way...

why so ?

the only thing i like about samurai is the sword!! - man the sword is beautiful - but remember beauty is a form of illusion - the ninjas knews this - so yes they stayed in the shadows - that is what stealth is about!

I dont buy all of that honour dignity and code hoop la la ! - i respect the man that got the job done and ninjas were oh so much more effective killing machines then samurais.

i saw a program on tv a while ago where a guy went to meet some ninjas (he was learning about martial arts) the guy in charge showed him all thsese different skills but at the end he pulled out a DESERT EAGLE and said "we adapt" !

that is why ninjas are cooler than samurais ! F*** pride just kill your opponent

[mexihiperboreo]

in which other cases, the ninja was a shadow from who ever controled them, isn't much difference from a comon criminal, except for his highly training, but in these era there are too many trained criminals.

samurai other wise, is japan warrior for excelence.
highly trained, honor code (non violated), social example, good maners, a samurai until the day he die. he has his part on military history.

in simple words:
-ninja==criminal, cowardy
-samurai==example man, non fear

[pumpum]

or another way of looking at it is :

-ninja==criminal, cowardy = ALIVE - WINNER
-samurai==example man, non fear = DEAD - LOSER SSSSSSS !! feel it burn baby !!