Mercy Kills: Yes, No, Maybe.

[Salvanas]

I'll be frank here. I've met multiple religious people who push their religion onto me, and I dislike that as much as anyone else here. The problem I see here, is that people are instantly jumping on solemn for backing up his beliefs with religion. So Hya, back off, yeh?

I'm not a religious guy, but I can see his point. If it's his belief, then why can't he use that belief to back up his statement? Oh, wait, because you're not religious and you think it clouds their minds from thinking rationally? Think again. I know many religious people who use rational thoughts to think things through. That's a stereo-type that's badly placed. Hell, many of the most famous philosophers were highly religious!

Also, another thing I'd like to touch on here, is that how you're easily dismissing religion. Again, I'm not a religious person, and I do not believe in god, heaven or hell, but religion has been around for 2000+ years. Yes, the truth of it is dubious, in my eyes aswell, but it's too strong a force to dismiss completely.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

It's not a talk about religious ideas in themselves so I don't believe I'm violating any rules. It's a talk about the role of religion in society.

I'm arguing that it should be a personal matter and to each their own.
solemnclock believes that there is nothing wrong with the religious majority imposing their beliefs via law.

That's not what the thread is about. The points have been made. If the topic cannot move off of religion, then it will be shut down. I have already had one request to end it.

[ozkai]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

It's not a talk about religious ideas in themselves so I don't believe I'm violating any rules. It's a talk about the role of religion in society.

I'm arguing that it should be a personal matter and to each their own.
solemnclock believes that there is nothing wrong with the religious majority imposing their beliefs via law.

I totally agree with MMM that it has gone way off topic from Mercy K to religion.

Reading through the latest conversation posts, it clearly shows that it's focussing on religion.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by MMM

That's not what the thread is about. The points have been made. If the topic cannot move off of religion, then it will be shut down. I have already had one request to end it.

I agree, even though my posts went where I sorrily did not want them to go, I'm sorry for that. If anything I will take responsibility for putting the topic off like this, I did not mean to hijack Hyakushi thread. In hindsight, I would not post like I did.

In a bid to put it back on topic,

My belief is exactly like an previous poster stated,

if base suicide is wrong, then it should be wrong for assisted suicide as well. I can see the point that people don't want to suffer. As that, I also see that I see that they should want to live, not end there life quickly. For if an cure where to be found after they committed, then what length did that wasted end come to? Even that we should be in the business of fighting not ending.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

That's not what the thread is about. The points have been made. If the topic cannot move off of religion, then it will be shut down. I have already had one request to end it.

I'm not discussing religion directly. Rather society.

And while I support the idea that moderaters should moderate the rules.. they shouldn't moderate the direction threads take when they are within the rules. If you close this thread because you don't like the direction it's taken but there has not been any violation of any rule then I believe you are abusing your role as moderator

I'm not defaming anyone's religion nor are the particular ideas of any particular religion being discussed or criticised.

For this reason I believe that I haven't violated any rule.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

if base suicide is wrong, then it should be wrong for assisted suicide as well. I can see the point that people don't want to suffer. As that, I also see that I see that they should want to live, not end there life quickly. For if an cure where to be found after they committed, then what length did that wasted end come to? Even that we should be in the business of fighting not ending.

That's such a strawman argument. Nobody is saying that suicide or assisted suicide is acceptable regardless. People are saying that in the case of terminal illness.... it is acceptable to want to end your life on your own terms when the end is near and there is no hope of recovery.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

That's such a strawman argument. Nobody is saying that suicide or assisted suicide is acceptable regardless. People are saying that in the case of terminal illness.... it is acceptable to want to end your life on your own terms when the end is near and there is no hope of recovery.

You just said, it.

So people should cop out of life when they fill the need to because there in "pain"? My point is I still think it is wrong regardless of the reason for the person to preform such an drastic measure. We shouldn't be in the business of ending lives prematurity, instead we should encourage and help those in pain.

My point still stands, suicide is an way for people to escape whatever ills them, regardless of the source of pain in effect the base reason for suicide is till there regardless of whatever ills you (depression, etc). It can be taken also that because the person is ill they cannot think clearly and act in desperation on the pain that they fill. The only case I see is that the person has an terminal illness, which my point is that they should be encourage to live out the rest of there lives in a fruitful manner then opting out of it. In effect thinking because there have an terminal illness, they in an way are making it another excuse to opt out.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

You just said, it.

So people should cop out of life when they fill the need to because there in "pain"? My point is I still think it is wrong regardless of the reason for the person to preform such an drastic measure. We shouldn't be in the business of ending lives prematurity, instead we should encourage and help those in pain.

My point still stands, suicide is an way for people to escape whatever ills them, regardless of the source of pain in effect the base reason for suicide is till there regardless of whatever ills you (depression, etc). It can be taken also that because the person is ill they cannot think clearly and act in desperation on the pain that they fill. The only case I see is that the person has an terminal illness, which my point is that they should be encourage to live out the rest of there lives in a fruitful manner then opting out of it. In effect thinking because there have an terminal illness, they in an way are making it another excuse to opt out.

Another strawman... you're equating being depressed with terminal illness. The very nature of terminal illnesses has to be taken into account. And Euthanasia is only reserved for the deteriorating (think bed-ridden) or those that are about to deteriorate and haven't long to live. Someone who has a terminal illness in it's early stages but is still fully functional as a human will be denied it.

Euthanasia allows the terminally ill to die on their own terms with dignity.

[Gerlandox]

no religion no politics
these are the rules
people cant often apply the rules of a normal conversation and 4 that serve some other rules ...
The rules who dont let you speak your mind the way u want.


But being a freethinker in mind and spirit i support both sides
armed with the kind of religion that nobody wrote and only I thought, I too kinda dislike people who try to force religion.

LOL I had a history with someone about religion (now im feeling only sorry 4 him, I was a jackass )

But somehow ... call it a dejavu without reading i see familiar faces
the same faces who want to be religious friends ...

I have to say cos jony is getting locko from this crap

[xYinniex]

euthanasia? Mercy kills?
I'm not sure if its the same thing, one could easily take 'mercy killings' as involuntary euthanasia [Like the Hitler/disabled thing]

My stance on Euthanasia is that I don't like it, nor do i condemn it. Yes, it's very tragic to want to end your own life, but in their own twisted way, they don't have bad intentions either. Nor does it make it right. It's just a misinterpretation on life, or even a 'different one', to be politically correct.