Fate or Choice?

[Debi]

Originally Posted by mousee09

how does that make it fate? because you dont get cause the first or second time? or you kill someone or yourself the first time? it called unforscene occurences and it can happen to everyone. the people who died in the accident it wasnt their fault wrong place, wrong time, they didnt know, that the chance everybody takes in life in general, the person that hit them made the decision to drive. dont just think because something happen to one person it cant happen to you. it not fate its life. why do good things happen to good people? correction it happens to bad people, babies, animals,forest, everything, nobody exempted from it you might think you are but you are fooling yourself.

I see you still don't get my point and that you didn't read my own post before you. whatever.

What I'm trying to tell you here is that yes we have the choice but it's not as clean cut as you point it out.

Actually, I think your point is actually wrong because you can't say someone is making an enlightened choicewhen he drink and then drive. Do you really think that someone who is totally wasted is really conscious of what he's doing, that he is really realizing that he's risking people life? If he can't drive correctly, he cannot neither make the correct choice either to drive or not. Lot of people fail to realize that because they never been in this situation.

It's pretty rare someone going to make an enlightened choice, even when sober, because you can't never know what is really going to happen. You make a choice and then... it's pretty much fate and all the random occurences of life that will determine what going to happen with that choice... then you choose again, and so on.

You say this is not fate, this is life. I think you are just playing with the words here.

[Reavyn]

I believe that there are certain events in our life that we will arrive at that are already determined. But what decisions we make up to and about those events are purely up to us.

[KaZaSaGiSaN]

I believe in both
I think that your life is predetermined
but it's predetermined by u in a past life after u have passed away
and that the choices feel like u have power over them at the moment
when really u've already set out a path for either of the choices that u choose
but thats just my opinion

[mousee09]

Originally Posted by Debi

I see you still don't get my point and that you didn't read my own post before you. whatever.

What I'm trying to tell you here is that yes we have the choice but it's not as clean cut as you point it out.

Actually, I think your point is actually wrong because you can't say someone is making an enlightened choicewhen he drink and then drive. Do you really think that someone who is totally wasted is really conscious of what he's doing, that he is really realizing that he's risking people life? If he can't drive correctly, he cannot neither make the correct choice either to drive or not. Lot of people fail to realize that because they never been in this situation.

It's pretty rare someone going to make an enlightened choice, even when sober, because you can't never know what is really going to happen. You make a choice and then... it's pretty much fate and all the random occurences of life that will determine what going to happen with that choice... then you choose again, and so on.

You say this is not fate, this is life. I think you are just playing with the words here.

Yeah i read your post didnt make much sense but i read it

first of all if you made the choice to drink yourself to the point where you are not conscious of the actions so whatever you do after that is YOUR OWN FAULT POINT BLANK! Secondly like i said before nobody want to get in a wreck and kill somebody but anything could happen to make them wreck: talking on the phone, not paying attention, people make these decisions and up F***in up somebody else in the process.

Definition of fate- an event that will inevitably take place in the future.
the future is a couple of seconds away,minutes, hours, days, years, decades and so on
We live in the present, whatever decision we make determined what our future will be. Someone else decisions might mess you up and have negative consequence. You might have a disease that was out of your control but it not fate that brought you that disease it could have been numerous of things.

if you turn left this will happen if you turn right this will happen...well something definitely going to happen either way you so why is it fate?
because it out of your control...hello nobody in control of their lives all the time....that just fact....

[Pexster]

Originally Posted by Debi

Wow Pex, To be or not to be ?

Let's me share with you what I think about that.

First, nothing is all Black or White. Everything is a different shade of gray
The same is true for Fate and Choice.

You know, we have the choice at every single moment of our life. Right now I have the choice to do whatever I want in my environment. I could simply smash myself in the face, I could run and scream incorehently, I could type the word "BALLS", etc. We are facing billions of choice-situations every day.
We are free to choose what are the actions we want to make.
Unfortunately, most of the time we are just not aware of this because we are not fully conscious, like when we follow routines or do stuff by habits or instincts, social conscience, etc.

Now that's for the choice part

About fate...
It's fine to have the choice of our actions but things are a little bit more complicated than that. Around us, there is hundred of billions of trillions of fucklions of things that also happen. And this influence us somehow.
It create events that you couldn't choose at all.
Is it predetermined before it happen ? It's hard to say. For example movements of planets and stars are set so maybe we could say that it's somehow predestined... but at the same time every other persons around you who also make choices make that it's also kinda random. Again, nothing is white or black.

So I think that fate exist, but when it bump into you, it's your choices that will determine what will happen next. Or the other way, when you make a choice, it is fate that will influence how this will end up.


Yooooo !

lol You really did pour your heart out. haha I can almost sense you are going to weep. ^^

I don't know how to respond to this, without making confusion.

[Debi]

Originally Posted by Pexster

lol You really did pour your heart out. haha I can almost sense you are going to weep. ^^

I don't know how to respond to this, without making confusion.

Make confusion, its funnier that way

[SaintKat]

A bit of both. Your surroundings and actions make certain outcomes more likely than others.

[android27]

I think it's all about choice. It makes no sense having free will if we have a predestined path.

The Universe loves chaos

[Aniki]

Originally Posted by Pexster

Fate or Choice?

I'd say both.

[NanteNa]

I'd rather say that your choice is influenced by your fate. ^^