Eating Whale Meat In Japan

[Troo]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I think it's fair to blame Japan because whaling is allowed and subsidised by the Japanese government.

Fair enough. In which case I blame all of America for allowing the torture and illegal detentions of prisoners, the ludicrously high incidence of the sexual assault and rape of female military personnel by their own male colleagues, and for PETA - the only "animal welfare" organisation in the world to execute tens of thousands more animals than it actually saves.

What other crass generalisations can we make? There have to be a few, surely.

The fact of the matter is that whaling in Japan is an extremely complex debate, and certainly isn't going to be resolved by taking a simplistic, overview approach such as yours.

[Reavyn]

Originally Posted by Troo

Fair enough. In which case I blame all of America for allowing the torture and illegal detentions of prisoners, the ludicrously high incidence of the sexual assault and rape of female military personnel by their own male colleagues, and for PETA - the only "animal welfare" organisation in the world to execute tens of thousands more animals than it actually saves.

Wooah...Please watch where your throwing blame for PETA. That's just uncalled for. Nobody deserves to be blamed for such a thing other than the leader of them.

[Yuusuke]

Originally Posted by ozkai

I've heard that's it's a popular food in Japan, and also Korea.

Have you tasted in and what are your thought's?

On another note, my X-Wife is from Kyushu, and she has eaten horse meat which is also eaten in that area..

I haven't tasted it, I'm not oppose to trying new things.
I want to.

but their should be a limit of how many whales can be killed. X.X

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Troo

Fair enough. In which case I blame all of America for allowing the torture and illegal detentions of prisoners, the ludicrously high incidence of the sexual assault and rape of female military personnel by their own male colleagues

I do blame all of America to an extent. And even then only those injustices which were sanctioned by the government (I don't know why you'd include the high incidence of sexual assault and rape of female military personnel)

You can't have a representative democratic government without accountability. That accountability rests with the government for the most part. But the government only exists because the majority of people support it so to a certain extent the American people themselves are to blame. Not individually speaking of course.

It's the same with Japan and whaling.

[Reavyn]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

I do blame all of America to an extent.

You can't have a representative democratic government without accountability. That accountability rests with the government for the most part. But the government only exists because the majority of people support it so to a certain extent the American people themselves are to blame. Not individually speaking of course.

It's the same with Japan and whaling.

This is why the world cannot get along with each other. They don't understand that not everyone that lives in a country agrees with everything that goes on. Can we drop the finger pointing and get back on topic?

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Reavyn

This is why the world cannot get along with each other. They don't understand that not everyone that lives in a country agrees with everything that goes on. Can we drop the finger pointing and get back on topic?

Dude...

I said to an extent

Let me elaborate... I hold the American people responsible to an extent which doesn't ignore that myriad of opinions and perspectives held by Americans. It's why I said at the end

Not individually speaking of course.

But even those that do not support their government are responsible in that they support an institution which allows such a government to act in that way.

The problem with nationalism is that the people who have the power to act on behalf the nation, represent all those that claim to be in that nation. Another problem is that because national identity has a high priority in identity politics amongst many Americans especially, but also in other parts of the world too... many people (like you) are quick to take offense to my holding you responsible to an extent.

While I too have a national identity... It is not all that defines me. I identify myself as a New Zealander in the same way as I identify myself as a person who likes to play basketball, drink coffee with friends etc.

[Atakicat]

Originally Posted by Ronin4hire

The problem with nationalism is that the people who have the power to act on behalf the nation, represent all those that claim to be in that nation. Another problem is that because national identity has a high priority in identity politics amongst many Americans especially, but also in other parts of the world too... many people (like you) are quick to take offense to my holding you responsible to an extent.

So you wouldn't take offense to someone holding you responsible to any extent, for something you have no control over?

[MMM]

OK, Off-topic discussion ends here, or move it to the off-topic thread...or I will.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Atakicat

So you wouldn't take offense to someone holding you responsible to any extent, for something you have no control over?

Are you saying you have absolutely no control over your government as an American?

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by MMM

OK, Off-topic discussion ends here, or move it to the off-topic thread...or I will.

You've become a nazi... Will you stop dictating to people the direction which threads must take?

I haven't broken any rules and neither has anyone else in taking this thread in this direction.

If you want to talk whaling then talk whaling.