North Korea Nuclear Test pt2

[Reavyn]

Originally Posted by komitsuki

And Obama isn't bringing his soldiers home.

We will bring more harm if the pro-American world "liberates" North Korea.

I'm not going to say I agree with the reasons America went into Iraq, but after a long drawn out battle, they are finally helping to get the country back in order and its practically running itself now. The reason he isn't bringing the troops home yet is because if they were pulled out now there is a huge chance that all they have finally helped create could be lost again.

This "pro-American" world your talking about isn't the one that is necessarily wanting to do something about North Korea the most. It's China, Russia, and Japan. And two of those three have enough military force to throw at it that if poked hard enough they wouldn't wait for the U.N. to okay it. And with the tests that North Korea has supposedly planned, he is really trying to see how far he can push buttons....

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by Reavyn

I'm not going to say I agree with the reasons America went into Iraq, but after a long drawn out battle, they are finally helping to get the country back in order and its practically running itself now. The reason he isn't bringing the troops home yet is because if they were pulled out now there is a huge chance that all they have finally helped create could be lost again.

And we saw an Iraqi politician just got arrested in an airport in Baghdad because of corruptions. Yet, Iraq's current government is too immature. Afghanistan is slowly taking over by the Taleban again.

America didn't help these two countries well enough in the first place.

We saw Obama during the election that he will fix what Bush did in the Middle East and now Obama is acting like Bush.

This "pro-American" world your talking about isn't the one that is necessarily wanting to do something about North Korea the most. It's China, Russia, and Japan. And two of those three have enough military force to throw at it that if poked hard enough they wouldn't wait for the U.N. to okay it.

Just let you know, the current head of UN is a South Korean. And he doesn't want a war.

And with the tests that North Korea has supposedly planned, he is really trying to see how far he can push buttons....

That's not what he intended actually. Think like a North Korea politician.

You're country is in a huge trouble with your past miscontributions and other countries' pressures. How would you deal with it? Do a controversial gestures as long as it doesn't devolve into a serious crisis while trying to maintain your domestic situation.

You just assume that North Korea is always the bad guy. This is not true when South Korea, Japan, and USA also have very dirty hands regards to North Korea.

This isn't a good vs. evil situation while so many people believe that it is really about good vs. evil.

[fluffy0000]

First off N. Korea does not have a ICBM, it barely has the tech. of improving what is essentially a knock-off rocket design - a second rate rocket comically named Type O' Dong (properly Taepodong-2), China, state-owned news agency Xinhua reported it thus and ( CIA,DIA ) US Defense analysts in missle technology also describe the Taepodong-2 missile, actually refer to NK's US missile strike capability as the "golfball of death," . How hard is it not to miss the Pacific Ocean *largest ocean on the planet? Taepodong-2 track record is not very good ( A Taepodong-2 missile was test fired on July 5, 2006 from the Musudan-ri Missile Test Facility According to preliminary reports, the missile failed in mid-flight 35–40 seconds after launch.

On April 5th, 2009, a Taepodong-2 missile with a satellite on board, was launched from the Musudan-ri facility. The payload did not reach orbit; however, the first stage worked without any problems and fell in the ocean as planned. 'epic fail'

Why the US is playing this up for all it's worth is the future cuts in the US Pentagon budget including it's largest program you guessed it 'Missile Defense' These advocates need all the help they can get to fight Obama’s plan to cut several components and reduce funding for the Pentagon’s largest program, which received over $12 billion last year. Proponents believe that by portraying Obama’s plan as weakening America’s defenses in the face of North Korea’s aggressiveness, they can convince the public and some Democrats to oppose the changes.

“North Korea’s brazen act of aggression should strengthen our resolve for a multi-layered missile-defense system capable of protecting our nation and our allies,” said House Minority Leader John A. Boehner , R-Ohio.

Translation a over priced missile defense system that has never demonstrated
any chance in knocking down a pidgeon but has burned threw billions USD $ without end is on the chopping block if it does'nt sell itself to US Congress.
Washington Post / NYT Times
CQ TODAY ONLINE NEWS
May 31, 2009 – 3:49 p.m
Michael O’Hanlon, senior foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution.

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by fluffy0000

Why the US is playing this up for all it's worth is the future cuts in the US Pentagon budget including it's largest program you guessed it 'Missile Defense' These advocates need all the help they can get to fight Obama’s plan to cut several components and reduce funding for the Pentagon’s largest program, which received over $12 billion last year. Proponents believe that by portraying Obama’s plan as weakening America’s defenses in the face of North Korea’s aggressiveness, they can convince the public and some Democrats to oppose the changes.

Great point. I always wondered what's in it for the U.S., whatever it is, it's definitely not saving the poor N. Korean citizens (they've been suffering for decades, why change now).

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by ozkai

Exactly
An tom bomb test, constant threats against South Korea, Japan and the US, possibly soon to include China, a few more ballistic and short range missile tests, summary executions of it's own people, leaving it's own people to die of starvation, we have a duty to stop this monster.

So why don't you and your family pack your stuff, grab your guns and go to N. Korea right now and liberate North Korea? Talk is cheap.

[MMM]

If this gets personal it is done. Tread carefully.

[kirakira]

Originally Posted by MMM

If this gets personal it is done. Tread carefully.

Calm down, why don't you join the conversation?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by kirakira

Calm down, why don't you join the conversation?

This is now the third time this debate has been restarted, each previous time resulted in petty insults and schoolyard taunting.

I think everyone here is intelligent enough to not fall into that pit, but then my suspicions are sadly made untrue. I just hope it doesn't happen again.

[komitsuki]

Originally Posted by kirakira

So why don't you and your family pack your stuff, grab your guns and go to N. Korea right now and liberate North Korea? Talk is cheap.

I have nothing against ozkai, but just ignore him like a Canadian fruit fly. :/

He doesn't contribute anything useful in this discussion anyways. And we've seen this over and over again. At the end, he will say something like "we have to do something to North Korea!!! ZOMG!!!"

Can members talk anything serious with ozkai? Especially in this thread? I don't think so. So, let's carry the discussion without him.

[MMM]

Which part of "If this gets personal it is done," didn't you understand? Let's give Ozkai the silent treatment? Really?