A New Beginning!

[Odin]

Originally Posted by MMM

I understand your feelings, Odin, and if I wasn't sure that these were not the words of a Japanese native, I wouldn't have posted anything.

Having seen a couple members over the last year or so try and pass themselves off as something they weren't (one went so far as to post pictures he or she found online) much to the shock of the members who thought they had made a new friend online, I feel it is my duty to do what I can to expose potential fraud the moment I see it.

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Oh yes ... I remember. I was deeply involved with that incident. In fact, with a some help from HouseTek, I was the one who obtained the real identity of the girl in the photo. However that was another person and a separate incident. Please do not let it color your sight on this. One needs only to view a history of his post on this forum to see a record of his situation. Which is that he has parents of mixed heritage (non-Japanese), and that he is being home schooled.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Odin

Oh yes ... I remember. I was deeply involved with that incident. In fact, with a some help from HouseTek, I was the one who obtained the real identity of the girl in the photo. However that was another person and a separate incident. Please do not let it color your sight on this. One needs only to view a history of his post on this forum to see a record of his situation. Which is that he has parents of mixed heritage (non-Japanese), and that he is being home schooled.

Yes...this is the kid you speak of:

Originally Posted by HaipaKun

Okay few things

1) That's racist! You don't judge someone on looks!

2) I am Japanese! My father is american! I get more looks from him! But I never meet him before. My Mother who is full japanese. Married someone else who is Japaneses.

3.) You don't seem that nice to people.

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So why does he use iGoogle translator to write in Japanese and why is his English 80 times better than his Japanese if he has never met his American father, and he lives in Kyoto?

[Nagoyankee]

Originally Posted by Odin

and that he is being home schooled.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as "homeschooling" in Japan.
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Hey, OP, Why don't you write a few lines in Kyoto dialect? You struggle emmensely (almost hopelessly) with standard Japanese. You might sound more natural if you wrote in your dialect.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by MMM

Yes...this is the kid you speak of:



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So why does he use iGoogle translator to write in Japanese and why is his English 80 times better than his Japanese if he has never met his American father, and he lives in Kyoto?

I should have never posted my feelings on whether he does or does not present the truth about himself. It only serves to distract from the issue that I had disagreement. That is, the manner in which this is being handled. If he is guilty so be it. It still does not excuse an moderator of the forum, from making a public accusation before he has expained his position. You should have PM'ed him first, just as any law enforcement is expected to try and speak with the accused before a judgment is passed. This is just not a proper way to behave.

With great power comes great responsibility. ~ Stan Lee

[JackIsLost]

i think MMM is correct, his japanese is a little odd. only having taken a semester of basic japanese they at least taught us how to address living and nonliving things. i can't read kanji that well so i don't know all his content though.

those of you who are familiar with vietnamese:
thằng này nói dối nhiều qua!!!

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Odin

I should have never posted my feelings on whether he does or does not present the truth about himself. It only serves to distract from the issue that I had disagreement. That is, the manner in which this is being handled. If he is guilty so be it. It still does not excuse an moderator of the forum, from making a public accusation before he has expained his position. You should have PM'ed him first, just as any law enforcement is expected to try and speak with the accused before a judgment is passed. This is just not a proper way to behave.

I understand your position, but a fraud is a fraud, and I am not sure what good telling him beforehand would have done to benefit the situation.

JF is not America, and there are no executive, judicial and legislative branches. There is no trial system, right to attorney, etc. He made claims that sounded fishy and not more than a couple of minutes of investigation made it clear the claims were false.

It seems more important to me to let others know that a user may not be being forthcoming. Like I said, if I am wrong, I will apologize publicly.

Again, I wouldn't have posted what I did if I wasn't sure.

I never expect thanks in anything I do, but this seems a little much.

[ARoomwithaMOOSE]

[quote=Nagoyankee;731029]Unfortunately, there is no such thing as "homeschooling" in Japan.
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WHATTTTT??? Nobody homeschools in Japan?
Why is that?

[Odin]

Originally Posted by Nagoyankee

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as "homeschooling" in Japan.
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"Homeschooling" is exceedingly rare in Japan, but is not non-existent. Japan's Home School Support Association estimates there are around 4,000 students that study at home. This represents that only ~0.003% of Japan's population. Being such an incredibly low percentage of the population, it is not surprising that there is a perception that it does not exist.

Home School Support Association (HoSA)
Church & Home Educators Association Japan

Originally Posted by Nagoyankee

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Hey, OP, Why don't you write a few lines in Kyoto dialect? You struggle emmensely (almost hopelessly) with standard Japanese. You might sound more natural if you wrote in your dialect.

This is not an bad idea. However, I know of an amazingly simple and accurate method to identify the country from which he is accessing this forum. I will not give this method in the open, but will pass this over to the moderators via PM. It will not attest to whether or not he is Japanese, but will verify his location.

[Nagoyankee]

Odin, I may not sound convincing because you don't know of me despite my post count. Most of my posts are in the Language section. I'm a seasoned native speaker of Japanese. Go take a look at who answers the most difficult questions there.

The OP is a fake. Just trust me and MMM because I can't wait till you have learned enough Japanese to decide for yourself. Everything he says in Japanese is gibberish. That is NOT the kind of Japanese one would learn from his Mom. Doesn't matter if he's regular schooled or homeschooled. No native speakers speak Google Japanese!

If he were left alone, that would only help create new "victims" like you. Getting excited about making friends with a Japanese and finding out that they had nothing to do with Japan.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by Nagoyankee

Odin, I may not sound convincing because you don't know of me despite my post count. Most of my posts are in the Language section. I'm a seasoned native speaker of Japanese. Go take a look at who answers the most difficult questions there.

The OP is a fake. Just trust me and MMM because I can't wait till you have learned enough Japanese to decide for yourself. Everything he says in Japanese is gibberish. That is NOT the kind of Japanese one would learn from his Mom. Doesn't matter if he's regular schooled or homeschooled. No native speakers speak Google Japanese!

If he were left alone, that would only help create new "victims" like you. Getting excited about making friends with a Japanese and finding out that they had nothing to do with Japan.

Nagoyankee,

I am quite familiar with you. I tend to be the type of person whom only posts when I feel the need arises. I do view you in general as an extremely competent person, and your posts generally reflect this. Henceforth, because of this competence in what you write, I rarely find the need to add to it. In other words, I do respect you and view you as a valuable resource to this community.

Likewise I feel the same about MMM. Since I first joined JapanForum, he has been something of a moral compass for the community. I know others share this opinion with me, or else he would have not been a popular choice as a moderator during the dark days of Kanji's hiatus from the site. MMM is quite diligent in the pursuit of these morals, and should be applauded for it.

It is only that sometimes that during the pursuit of the greater moral right, sometimes people have a tendency to step over the bounds of the morals of lesser importance. In other words they end up doing the wrong things for the right reason. This is my argument. On more than one ocastion I have seen MMM pursue an issue in a way that is only about protecting the those he views as the victims without regards to the accused. Some cases, such as this, the argument against the accused is strong. Morals ... well ... they can be a tricky thing. They are a razor thin wire that does not follow the strait path. There is no black. There is no white. Just an infinite field of greys, of both light and dark.

I say that this, and other such incidents, should have been handled with a little more discretion because of reputation. In this world, we call the internet, reputation is pretty much the sum total of what we are within it. Reputation is a bit like "Humpty Dumpty". All the kings men, and all the kings horses, will never put it back to gather again. Likewise neither will the most sincere apology. On more than one occasion, I have seen members simply disappear after someone has accused them of immoral actions or motives. Some of them will stand and fight, however many will simply walk away once they perceive their honor being tarnished. Although this is not true for this case, often because of cultural misunderstandings.

MMM said, "JF is not America, and there are no executive, judicial and legislative branches. There is no trial system, right to attorney, etc." But this is not correct. The moderators serve all of those functions and maybe a little more. It is they who write the laws, enforce the laws, investigate when the laws when they are broken, and punish those who have broken them. They must are judge, jury and executioner. They must the the prosecutor of those who commit the crimes, but they should also defend the rights of those who stand accused. When this came up, the first action of a moderator should have been a private message to him, and let him speak in his on defense. Once an accusation has been made in the open blazoned with those red letters, damaged has been done!

Do not get me wrong. I think, if guilty he should be punished for such actions. I just ask that he be allowed to speak before his name is inscribed into the book of the damned! Now there's an idea. Let there be a list of the damned. A sticky thread emblazoned in those red letters at the top of the forum. Let all those who are sentenced, be written down and their crimes enumerted for all the world to see! If you feel the need to protect the sheep from the wolves, let them know the name of the wolf.

OK, I'll get off of my soapbox for a little while ... and MMM? You know I love ya man. I wouldn't prod you so, if I didn't see the potential in you to become the greater man. Besides, I never find it wise to argue with a brick wall.