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Negative is still and negative. Note she is also on hear 20th ethic complaint, do you not see the ridiculous in this? I asked you to contrast it with your previous post. You did not. I pointed out the article is hearsay. You pointed out the article supposedly begs to ask why she gets so many ethics complaints which I remind you the VAST majority get thrown away. I'll put in simple, in what way does that article support the argument you shouldn't vote for her, WHEN it is all hearsay? You don't take gossip as fact do you, same principle applies here. Quote:
Do you live in America? You do know around 80% of the country "says" they are Christians SO how can you call her an "religious right wing extremist"? In light of that information how do you content that around 80% percent of the country is extremists? Your seriously mistaken if you honestly believe that she is what you call her. On an different note by extension would you call me one also? 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. 
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User Authentication User Authentication Sorry I forgot you were a teacher of mine, how silly of me. I would never try anything like that with a boss or teacher. I don't think it was a cop out or excuse at all. I was trying to prove to you it was as simple as searching google. You didn't like that... sorry... i guess. Ill remember that next time Im discussing my opinion with someone on a forum. And it wasn't an exuse, I didn't have time to post articles. Its as simple as that. I thought if I showed you some interesting articles and discussions on boards about the topic, you may actually take a look. I guess not Ill try harder next time. And yes sorry I didn't really mean fox news in specifically I just meant conservative news. It was sarcasm, my bad. You degraded articles that were left wing liberal, I just assumed you were on the far right conservative. I made an assumption, my fault. And about her being an adult, she was 18 when the comment was made. She is an adult. I think children should be left out, don't get me wrong. But she is no longer a child. When the family is treated like they are celebrities then they can be treated the same way other celebrities are. It doesn't make it ok, but it does happen in the media. When the father of Bristols kid is being interviewed on cable tv, you are a celeb in my book. When her husband is the judge of the Miss America pageant, you are now a celeb. Take the good and the bad you receive from being a celebrity. Thats my two cents. Take it or leave it. About the articles on being and "adult". It proved my point because they all stated that being mentally as mature as an adult was a factor. This is what I have been saying all along. There isn't a magical switch that makes you and adult. You never answered these questions from before so ill ask again. Are you really that much more of an adult at 17 years 354 days than you are when your exactly 18? Is there some magical thing that makes you turn into an adult? Thats all im trying to say is you can be an adult or as mature as an adult before you turn 18. She was pregnant when she was 17, I would consider her an adult.... i feel like i have said this all before. And whats your point about it being the #1 station. Does that make it always correct? Is it then always 100% factual? Its still just opinions, just because lots of people have the same opinion, doesn't make it fact.
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PS, i still stand by this--->Shes a right wing extremist, who seems to have as many brain cells as a lampshade. Good riddance, don't care if she comes back. Bye-Bye 
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07-16-2009, 06:30 AM
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You don't get it, YOU don't ask SOMEONE else to LOOK up INFORMATION, that YOU are supposed to PROVIDE. No saying you don't have time is NO excuse, really go tell that to someone else and see how far you get! really? I don't look at what others have posted? Seriously? Evidence points toward I do on this thread. I don't read blog spots if that is what your asking. I don't care what news I get AS LONG as it is fair, to which huffington post is not. I don't usually watch Hannity, nor do I listen to talk radio. I do have news on around the day. At the most consistent people I listen to is O'reilly, Glenn, and Gretta (yes they are all fox news and I do find fox news to be the most natural network) Interesting about those is Glenn is an libertarian, O'reilly is an independent I don't know what Gretta is. Both O'reilly and glenn have conservative views. Daily Kos: WTF is Going on at the Huffington Post? On Palin: Huffington Post Wallowing in Sexist Mud - Cam Battley - Open Salon Daily Kos: WTF is Going on at the Huffington Post? This one you posted was vile and I can say that with clarity. Sarah Palin Continues To Drag Daughter Through Mud For Political Gain - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought As I have stated Children of Public figures are to be left alone. She is not an public speaker AND child of Sarah Palin. I was wrong on her age, and her being 18 does not bar that. Legally she is an adult, emotionally like you where saying does play a role her too. That said my point still stands. I have also stated celebrities SHOULD NOT be treated the way they are, as such the Palins (wither you believe they are an celebrity is not the issue) take from that also. This comes home to saying it's not ok, but still letting it happen is wrong. You don't believe it is right correct? Then why don't you stand against it? This is the point, you don't let something that is wrong go on do you? Your missing an key point there, they say AS an adult to which they understand they actions. They also beg to differ on wither children should be tried as adults and provide arguments against that. I have said I was going from the LEGAL and PSYCHOLOGICALLY when you are considered and adult. I have answered the question. Legally yes it does make an difference. The psychological part you have ignored me making. To which one I say i bet a lot of 21 year old are not mature enough to be considered an adult. So without knowing Bristol I'm still going to consider her a child until she proves shes an adult (question then begs to differ how does one prove, to which I reply in time). COMMENTATORS have opinions NOT NEWSCASTERS. Yes there is an point in providing that information, think about it. Read these Barack Obama: Back Away From Attacks Against Sarah Palin's Family | HULIQ COLEMAN CONDEMNS ATTACKS AGAINST HIS WIFE AND FAMILY - Blog - ColemanForSenate.com Family an unacceptable target for political attacks - Opinion Polticial Children: Another Casualty in the War of Politics - Blog - Make Media Matter - IFC.com For political families, there's no effective filter for embarrassment It's not just me that is saying this. Quote:
Stating facts is ridiculous? on what grounds? Do I have to remind you that this is an forum and as such I'm well within the grounds to challenge what someone writes on here. Yet we still argue and debate so I really doubt you saying it is ridiculous has any merit on the actual conversation that is going on. SO I go back to this, your "points" remain false until you back them up. Ok this Also goes to everybody also, telling someone to go find the information is such an incredibly poor excuse that boarders the line that you shouldn't posted at all. You make an claim BACK it up. Remember your education. I've written it before and I'll do it again. Opinions matter little when they are not supported. Also I might add opinion does not equal fact. I also have addressed points about Sarah in the news, and a good bunch of blogs. Quote:
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07-16-2009, 07:32 AM
As said, I won't indulge in online arguments. and you said "around 80% of Americans call themselve Christians." but as i said YOU DONT SEE THEM PRANCING AROUND TALKING ABOUT THEIR BELIEF LIKE YOU SEE HER DOING, and if you watched all her coverage on all stations as i did you would notice the difference between and ordinary citizen and their beliefs and her(the politician)well i guess not anymore. and your right christian belief isnt all extremist right(my family are Christians, I dont see them as religious right)
 . Im sure you know what i mean by that name im putting on certain people on the right but you choose to look just at that. Thats okay though. harhar. and yeah it was called for, because its how I feel(My opinion) if you don't like it don't keep quoting me, and finding a reason to complain about what I say. Its what I believe. I will always be what i believe, she was a crappy Governor and she would've been a mucho worse VP.
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07-16-2009, 07:40 AM
solemnclockwork, imo, you really need to just quit it. There's nothing wrong with one stating his or her opinion on a situation, as long as the person isn't stating it as a fact. From what I've observed, you're the only one acting in such a manner as to making demands for people to defend their opinions and the fact that people are literally writing, "IMO" or using words to imply that it's obviously an opinionated statement should be enough. Phrases such as "I feel" or "in my opinion", etc., show this.
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07-16-2009, 08:23 AM
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Do you understand the implications of posting such and such on a forum. If so how can you tell me to "quit"? I've repeatably said opinion are equal, as such I ALSO stated that this is an debate. Example. I believe that girls are scum. Do I A. Have the right for people to take my word for it? B. Have the right for people not to challenge it? C. Have the right to debase someone? d. have the right to state my opinion, with the extent of my peers taking my word for it? I also have stated since the beginning of me joining this forum, you provide evidence to claims or have that claim invalid. I'll take as evidence towards one of my first posts on water boarding. I stated water boarding was not torture because my opinion was that torture was something that had lasting damage and physiological effects. Well Rohin4hire challenged me on it. Put it simply I fell back on it being my opinion. Point here to make is that your opinion is not protected against being challenged. In this thread I have not said anybodies wrong for having an opinion, I have challenged the contents of that opinion, to which is well within the scope of the site to do so. In conteplation I do regret I used that phrase in that debate. Those phrases does NOT protect them from being challenged do they not? Quote:
don't post where there is an debate. Get the quote right Do you live in America? You do know around 80% of the country "says" they are Christians SO how can you call her an "religious right wing extremist"? In light of that information how do you content that around 80% percent of the country is extremists? Seriously? prancing around talking about there belief like she does? WHEN did it become wrong to have your religion as principle? I have an biblical quote in my name page, I know the difference. As that is stated you did not back up yourself again. Labeling is generally bad. "Extremist far right" is also an very bad term, hence the reason why I focus on that. "It's my opinion" is an fall back. Reason being I can't challenge you having that opinion, as such I can challenge what that opinion is. You want to keep your opinion no one stopping you, just don't think you can freely say what you want without someone challenging it (what's happening here). I'm tired of this "it's my opinion" tactic and I'm ending it. I am entitled to an opinion I'm entitled to my opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I am entitled to my opinion (as fallacy) - ForumGarden You are not entitled to your opinion Why You Are Not Entitled To Your Opinion : DaytonOS Sorry, but you are not entitled to your opinion | Jamie Whyte - Times Online 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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There's a LOT of speculation going on here. As such when two opposing views come together it becomes an debate. Hence what has happen. Tsuwabuki recognized this as an debate. In an court of law can you make an accusation without supporting it? Can you scream fire in an public building without there being one (doing so will land you into legal trouble). How then is it rude for me to ask people to show respect to there own selves by supporting what they say? You don't pay attention to the boy who cried wolf do you? Simply I demand they do so, as an standard. Gossip is something no one should peddle in. One thing I add is I do see someone who doesn't support there own arguments and opinions as doing an wrong to the people who read it, and it themselves. I"m not arguing an old topic, I used that as an building block to what I was saying. Nothing needs to be taken from it other then what context it was in the paragraph. Here's the point you are not getting, a person who sees that by this forums standards has the right to challenge that opinion. Now you have the right to respond. Opinions are beliefs correct? If an belief is wrong and someone points that out either to show to others why it was wrong or to you also is it wrong to do so? It's relates to the water boarding thread. Rohin4hire was correct in pointing out that my "opinion" of what constitutes torture was wrong and we debated at the time (its not there because it got heated). That is simply whats happening here. I'm going to address all the rude points here. Me coming across as demanding is the same in any debate. One side demands that the other provide evidence to support or defend there argument, it's simple as that. I would expect others to treat it the same way. Me being rude is subjective. I did not label anybody, or resort to personal attacks. I pointed out several factors in which either was childish (you believe that saying you hate someone is an mature feeling?) or venom. the point of those are to show the person to think about what they are writing. I have also stated that opinions are valid to each other. As last note coming off is subjective at best because it is an conflict of ideas and opinions and no one likes to be told there wrong or not right on the issue. I have to see the other side to argue against it, I also must see and read what they say, post, and link. I shouldn't have to write this but I will. EVERYONE including me have emotions that depending on the context will strike them up. I give people leeway in that I don't respond to snide remarks usually. that said I'm also stricken by the same emotion everyone else goes threw, in as such I can become prone to doing the same thing. I have also stated outside of this thread, I still see everyone on the same platform as me. I don't have a problem with anyone, at the end of the day if it was possible I would still see everyone on here as an peer. I also might add as I think about it, as this goes on think about some of the words used against Palin (she makes women look like joke, I hate hear, she only has two braincells etc). Maybe if they would word it to be more natural to passive, there wouldn't be such an huge discussion about it. That is the reason why I'm defending her against personal attacks. She gets attacked unjustly and unfairly. That is not to say the same thing can happen about political arguments (around the same argument me and you had, but much cooler). As such I believe those remain natural because of there ideology nature. Take the comment that burkhartdesu posted. Completely unjustified to say something like that. I"m challenging peoples opinions so that they would show the woman some respect. At the most it not about how you feel about her politically, she still deserves the same respect you give to others. It also begs to be asked, if you treat her in such the same way, how then can you ask others to treat you nicely? 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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