Sarah Palin quits

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by MMM

How have I disparaged her here? I quoted the news article with no comment and commented on Burkhardesu's comments (a man who lives in Alaska).

But since you opened the door...if the excuse she gave today is legitimate, then it is pathetic. She is choosing to be a lame duck and she is choosing to quit. She is choosing to say she is no longer in doing the job she spent millions getting elected for. How many hours and how many volunteers gave their precious time to get her into office? And she quits halfway through?

Now if her excuse for quitting is a lie, then that makes her a liar.

What do you gain from calling her an lair based on the answer she gave for turning over her job? DID she not say she was going to do what's best for Alaska? Everyone is an lair and I hardly think that needs to be said about anyone, to which brings up the point why even point it out? I'm pretty 120% percent sure Obama has lied about several things but I'm not going around and calling him an liar based on it. (though I would say he lied in that regard but in retrospect nothing needs to be said about calling each other lairs)

"I never believed that I nor anyone else needs a title to do this, to make a difference," she said. "I'm determined to take the right path for Alaska, even though it is unconventional and it's not so comfortable."

One factor she cited was the media and political attacks on her, and she suggested that her reason for quitting abruptly was to allow the state to move forward under Parnell without distraction, calling this the "right path for Alaska."

"For my state and for my family to progress ... I will not seek re-election as governor," she said, voicing confidence that her successor would "continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success."

Taken form
Palin Quits as Alaska Governor - Political News - FOXNews.com

Her stepping down from office is puzzling, yet I do know the criticism is that she is quitting and letting the people of Alaska down. Point here to make is we really don't know yet the exact reason and even then if she is dead politically. So as it stands right know there is really no reason not to take her word for it. Here's another point for you. If all the negatives where affecting her then it is good that she step out of the way, if she wants to run for president then it is good for here to step out of the way so she can focus on that and let someone else be able to devout themselves to Alaska. Take what you want for how she decided to do it. To add I do not think anyone that volunteered for her and even her expected this.

Umm, I don't think quoting something qualifies you to disparage someone. So with that out of the way.

Originally Posted by MMM

No kidding! Wow...no wonder she picked the Friday before the 4th to try and sneak away.

Fascinating! So this is the "millions of dollars" she will save the state by quitting?

You should know very well that she has been going through cases of "ethics violations" for a good time while costing a good penny.

Regardless of that, how is "commented on someone else" an excuse? There still your words.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

What do you gain from calling her an lair based on the answer she gave for turning over her job?

I didn't call her a liar. I said IF she is lying about why she is quitting, then she is a liar.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

DID she not say she was going to do what's best for Alaska? Everyone is an lair and I hardly think that needs to be said about anyone, to which brings up the point why even point it out? I'm pretty 120% percent sure Obama has lied about several things but I'm not going around and calling him an liar based on it. (though I would say he lied in that regard but in retrospect nothing needs to be said about calling each other lairs)

No, not everyone is a liar. "Everyone does it," is the worst excuse in the book.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

"I never believed that I nor anyone else needs a title to do this, to make a difference," she said. "I'm determined to take the right path for Alaska, even though it is unconventional and it's not so comfortable."

“And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn't run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks... travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade—as so many politicians do. And then I thought—that's what's wrong—many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and "milk it." I'm not putting Alaska through that—I promised efficiencies and effectiveness! ? That's not how I am wired. I am not wired to operate under the same old "politics as usual." I promised that four years ago—and I meant it.

It's not what is best for Alaska.

I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is unconventional and not so comfortable.”

There's the whole quote. If you can interpret what she is saying, you deserve a gold star. If "politics as usual" means "fulfilling the promise you made to the people who elected you" then she certainly is not "politics as usual". However, if she is quitting for a personal gain she can't get as the governor of Alaska (like travelling the lower 48 and promoting a book) then she did the greatest disservice to the people of Alaska by running in the first place. Keep in mind, she is NOT a lame duck. She is CHOOSING not to run again. Why? Not only is she choosing not to run again, she is quitting halfway through her term. WHY?

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

One factor she cited was the media and political attacks on her, and she suggested that her reason for quitting abruptly was to allow the state to move forward under Parnell without distraction, calling this the "right path for Alaska."

What kind of gun was held to her head when she was forced into public office. How long was the knife that was held to her throat by John McCain when he forced her to be his running mate?

If "media and political attacks" are the problem, don't run for office. Obama is attacked for more hours than there are in a day by the right-wing talk show hosts, and I don't see him hanging up his hat.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

"For my state and for my family to progress ... I will not seek re-election as governor," she said, voicing confidence that her successor would "continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success."[/i]

Taken form
Palin Quits as Alaska Governor - Political News - FOXNews.com

Her stepping down from office is puzzling, yet I do know the criticism is that she is quitting and letting the people of Alaska down. Point here to make is we really don't know yet the exact reason and even then if she is dead politically. So as it stands right know there is really no reason not to take her word for it. Here's another point for you. If all the negatives where affecting her then it is good that she step out of the way, if she wants to run for president then it is good for here to step out of the way so she can focus on that and let someone else be able to devout themselves to Alaska. Take what you want for how she decided to do it. To add I do not think anyone that volunteered for her and even her expected this.

Umm, I don't think quoting something qualifies you to disparage someone. So with that out of the way.



You should know very well that she has been going through cases of "ethics violations" for a good time while costing a good penny.

Regardless of that, how is "commented on someone else" an excuse? There still your words.

I am not sure what you mean by the last sentence, but innocent people do not resign. Innocent politicians do not quit. Even if she had said she wants to spend more time with her growing family, that would have made more sense to me than the speech she gave today.

[Kayci]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Really, does that give you the right to degrade someone?

Probably not. But let he without sin cast the first stone. If I don't like a person, celebrity, politician. etc, and they go away, I'll be happy. Oh well. I'm sorry for not pleasing any holy deity, but I'll be honest.

I think she was a mistake for McCain, personally. I never really cared for her since that whole "hockey mom with lipstick" came out, I never liked the vibe she gave off, and ever since I found out about the potential corruption with that man that was married to her relative who was also somehow related to the law...

I just don't like her. I may not have to "degrade" someone, but you didn't need to comment on it, as there could be much more, like I hear about Obama, (I.E; "Someone needs to shoot him")

I just want her out of politics.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by Kayci

Probably not. But let he without sin cast the first stone. If I don't like a person, celebrity, politician. etc, and they go away, I'll be happy. Oh well. I'm sorry for not pleasing any holy deity, but I'll be honest.

I think she was a mistake for McCain, personally. I never really cared for her since that whole "hockey mom with lipstick" came out, I never liked the vibe she gave off, and ever since I found out about the potential corruption with that man that was married to her relative who was also somehow related to the law...

I just don't like her. I may not have to "degrade" someone, but you didn't need to comment on it, as there could be much more, like I hear about Obama, (I.E; "Someone needs to shoot him")

I just want her out of politics.

You do know that verse that you used is to say keep people from saying (generally) things like you did in your last post. Also it's not about pleasing any "deity" as you would have it, but being RESPECTFUL of others.

Do you know the story behind that "man"?

Same applies to you, you didn't need to make such an comment. Why would you even bring up such an despicable and treasonous act? that was another thing uncalled for.

who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?

Originally Posted by MMM

I didn't call her a liar. I said IF she is lying about why she is quitting, then she is a liar.

No, not everyone is a liar. "Everyone does it," is the worst excuse in the book.

“And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn't run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks... travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade—as so many politicians do. And then I thought—that's what's wrong—many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and "milk it." I'm not putting Alaska through that—I promised efficiencies and effectiveness! ? That's not how I am wired. I am not wired to operate under the same old "politics as usual." I promised that four years ago—and I meant it.

It's not what is best for Alaska.

I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is unconventional and not so comfortable.”

There's the whole quote. If you can interpret what she is saying, you deserve a gold star. If "politics as usual" means "fulfilling the promise you made to the people who elected you" then she certainly is not "politics as usual". However, if she is quitting for a personal gain she can't get as the governor of Alaska (like travelling the lower 48 and promoting a book) then she did the greatest disservice to the people of Alaska by running in the first place. Keep in mind, she is NOT a lame duck. She is CHOOSING not to run again. Why? Not only is she choosing not to run again, she is quitting halfway through her term. WHY?

What kind of gun was held to her head when she was forced into public office. How long was the knife that was held to her throat by John McCain when he forced her to be his running mate?

If "media and political attacks" are the problem, don't run for office. Obama is attacked for more hours than there are in a day by the right-wing talk show hosts, and I don't see him hanging up his hat.

I am not sure what you mean by the last sentence, but innocent people do not resign. Innocent politicians do not quit. Even if she had said she wants to spend more time with her growing family, that would have made more sense to me than the speech she gave today.

you miss the point of the paragraph. I'm certain she didn't tell the whole truth and maybe has other goals for why she is leaving office.

MMM, everyone has told an lie, there is not getting around that. it is pointless to call someone else an lair without pointing out the the one calling them such an thing is one also. It's not about everyone "doing" it, everyone DOES lie. My point is, if your going to call her an lair call yourself one, call me one, call Obama, one, and the list goes on. I'll refer you to that passage that was used by Kayci.

My point about posting those quotes was to show she gave some reason why.

I would interpret that she wants an governor for Alaska that would actually work for Alaska. Take what you want form that. But lately she has been
not so much focused on Alaska. Running as Vice President, interviews, the dogmatic attacks on her, the current (one of the few people who stand out in the Split Republican party) focus on here as an leader of Republicans. Now my personal opinion on the matter is she wants to be able to breath again and live in peace and have the same for her family. Hence I think she is probably done with politics.

The event is such puzzling, we really just have to wait and see what happens.

Are you Serious?

Does having your children attacked, count as wrong to you? What about mass-media take on it? I mean when you have an major network EDIT an interview to make an into an fool you have an problem.

Obama has rush, and Hannity arguable they go after him on policy. UNLIKE what has happen with Sara. People where out to destroy Sarah, and you should be able to tell the difference between criticism on Obama, George Bush (arguably they could be twins if you want to look at the attacks on both), and the atrocious attacks on Sarah, EVEN from her own party! No one expected here to get this kind of attention. The attacks where never about policy but her in General and that is the difference between Obama and Sarah.

What are you trying to say here? Why call her innocent unless you want to make an point? that said people step down from positions all the time for personal reasons. We simply at this point do not know what to make of this.

All politicians always give cryptic answers as to what there going to do.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

MMM, everyone has told an lie, there is not getting around that. it is pointless to call someone else an lair without pointing out the the one calling them such an thing is one also. It's not about everyone "doing" it, everyone DOES lie. My point is, if your going to call her an lair call yourself one, call me one, call Obama, one, and the list goes on. I'll refer you to that passage that was used by Kayci.

Again, I never called her a liar. You are now. I won't repeat what I said.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

My point about posting those quotes was to show she gave some reason why.

And I said if it is true, then the reason is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

I would interpret that she wants an governor for Alaska that would actually work for Alaska. Take what you want form that. But lately she has been
not so much focused on Alaska. Running as Vice President, interviews, the dogmatic attacks on her, the current (one of the few people who stand out in the Split Republican party) focus on here as an leader of Republicans. Now my personal opinion on the matter is she wants to be able to breath again and live in peace and have the same for her family. Hence I think she is probably done with politics.

So you are saying that the problem is the governor of Alaska cannot focus on Alaska. I would ask whose fault that is.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

The event is such puzzling, we really just have to wait and see what happens.

And also see what isn't going to happen.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Are you Serious?

Does having your children attacked, count as wrong to you? What about mass-media take on it? I mean when you have an major network EDIT an interview to make an into an fool you have an problem.

I never mentioned her children, and every single interview you will see on TV is edited, unless it is live. If you want to say they changed her words, please, back that up.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Obama has rush, and Hannity arguable they go after him on policy. UNLIKE what has happen with Sara. People where out to destroy Sarah, and you should be able to tell the difference between criticism on Obama, George Bush (arguably they could be twins if you want to look at the attacks on both), and the atrocious attacks on Sarah, EVEN from her own party! No one expected here to get this kind of attention. The attacks where never about policy but her in General and that is the difference between Obama and Sarah.

The attacks on Obama have been on policy, and on much more. I wish they were only on policy.

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

What are you trying to say here? Why call her innocent unless you want to make an point? that said people step down from positions all the time for personal reasons. We simply at this point do not know what to make of this.

All politicians always give cryptic answers as to what there going to do.

If she said she was stepping down for personal reasons, it would have made more sense. She said she is stepping down because she doesn't want to be a lame duck governor that doesn't do anything.

Then instead of spending the next 18 months doing nothing, why doesn't she spend the next 18 months doing something?

Who says lame duck governor (again, a position she put herself into...she could run for reelection) can't do anything?

[Kayci]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

You do know that verse that you used is to say keep people from saying (generally) things like you did in your last post. Also it's not about pleasing any "deity" as you would have it, but being RESPECTFUL of others.

Do you know the story behind that "man"?

Same applies to you, you didn't need to make such an comment. Why would you even bring up such an despicable and treasonous act? that was another thing uncalled for.

who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?


.

I know more than you think.
I don't trust her.
And I'm sorry, but this is a democracy where we CHOOSE to represent us.
So. Really, it IS our choice to decide who is worthy in politics.
And Palin isn't, IMO.
So you don't need to comment on me either.
Freedom of speech, freedom to disapprove. Free to disagree with you. You chose to comment, like I did. But really, please don't act like its a severely horrid thing to disapprove of politicians when there are plots to kill them instead all over.
I'm not that bad of a human being, so you can stop degrading me yourself if that is what you got on my case for.

[DJnohara]

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu

She's a snake like the rest of em'


I went to High School with her daughter, and her daughters baby-daddy.

I just saw Sarah and her Husband driving around Wasilla the other week... They're nothing special, and surely not worthy of frontpage news.

My thoughts the same.
When I saw that head line, my reaction was just: Ha ha (sort of a Nelson moment). Glad to see her resign.

[QueenNanami]

Sarah Palin... I hope she doesn't run for president. That's just a waste of her time.

I'm surprised to see someone so gung-ho for her in the thread.

"who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?"
Let me ask you the same question solemnclockwork! What makes Sarah Palin so great to you that you think she deserves a ounce of our sympathy? To me Sarah Palin made woman look like they were incapable of running the White house. She made me and many other woman feel like a joke. I don't think she can handle a job like the White house and I believe she is a idiot. Her stepping down will put a huge dent in her "campaign" to becoming president. For that I am glad.

Did you see the vice presidential debate? If that doesn't prove how stupid she is then i don't know what will.

[burkhartdesu]

The only "evidence" I have is the fact that I've lived in her home town the majority of my life-- which is far more credible then ANYTHING the media has put out about her and her 'accomplishments'

Don't you find it a bit strange that she repeatedly claimed to have put an end to shady politicians, when all the people convicted have been released from jail due to a mistrial.

Watch her speeches, she mentions being a maverick -- a defender of truth and justice, putting an end to "politics as usual"...

Now she ducks out when Alaska needs her the most, doing exactly what she swore to defeat. That's why she quit, because she was selling out. She is what she set out to destroy.



Palin doesn't need any pity.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by MMM

Again, I never called her a liar. You are now. I won't repeat what I said.



And I said if it is true, then the reason is ludicrous.



So you are saying that the problem is the governor of Alaska cannot focus on Alaska. I would ask whose fault that is.



And also see what isn't going to happen.



I never mentioned her children, and every single interview you will see on TV is edited, unless it is live. If you want to say they changed her words, please, back that up.



The attacks on Obama have been on policy, and on much more. I wish they were only on policy.



If she said she was stepping down for personal reasons, it would have made more sense. She said she is stepping down because she doesn't want to be a lame duck governor that doesn't do anything.

Then instead of spending the next 18 months doing nothing, why doesn't she spend the next 18 months doing something?

Who says lame duck governor (again, a position she put herself into...she could run for reelection) can't do anything?

Well, since I have said with my first post that EVERYONE has lied, that would mean I would be calling everyone an liar, now wouldn't it? Also you didn't read that paragraph. This is my point.


it is pointless to call someone else an lair without pointing out the the one calling them such an thing is one also. It's not about everyone "doing" it, everyone DOES lie. My point is, if your going to call her an lair call yourself one, call me one, call Obama one, and the list goes on. I'll refer you to that passage that was used by Kayc

I said Sarah Palin couldn't focus on Alaska like she wanted to. She has been busy with other stuff since she was nominated for vice president. Why are you blaming Sarah? The media is the one who put her in the spot light. The Republican party sees her as one of the few leaders left. Tell me which vice president nominee gets this much attention after an failed campaign. Also it's kinda hard for people to say no to being vice president. That said I would also say Alaska was in support of her being vice president.

To see what happens would include what doesn't happen wouldn't it?

DID I say you mention her children? You do know what David Letterman has been "joking" about lately do you not? I thought it was common knowledge about the Gibson interview.

ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview | NewsBusters.org

ABC Dishonestly Edited Sarah Palin Interview | NowPublic News Coverage

Give examples on attacks on Obama being something else besides policy. I do not recall in the Main Stream Media doing anything other then falling at his feet.

We simply do not have the scope of what she is doing right now. Most Governors who are gong to run for president do not run for reelection. That said everyone who wants an career change or wants to do something else does not continue in what they are currently doing. We simply do not know everything right now.