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07-05-2009, 03:28 AM

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I said Sarah Palin couldn't focus on Alaska like she wanted to. She has been busy with other stuff since she was nominated for vice president. Why are you blaming Sarah? The media is the one who put her in the spot light. The Republican party sees her as one of the few leaders left. Tell me which vice president nominee gets this much attention after an failed campaign. Also it's kinda hard for people to say no to being vice president. That said I would also say Alaska was in support of her being vice president.
How is it difficult to say "no"? IMO, she truly needed to get her priorities in order. Her youngest son could use her full attention, I would say, or partial. I'd be surprised for any parent of a special needs child, an infant, no less, since those first few months are vital to proper child development, to take on such a job [Vice President] that would be so time consuming. I know if I were a parent, I'd want a job where I could see my child everyday if possible, so I would say "no" to being Vice President of the US without thinking twice about it.

That aside, I find her reason for her resignation kind of a lame and how will that look if she does decide to run for President in 2012? One might look back and not see her as consistent. By that, I mean the fact that she's gone to so many different universities/colleges and then quitting her term as Governor when she's nearly close to finished. It's just like a hiring manager looking over a person's resume. Gaps look bad on resumes and so do multiple places of employment that were incredibly short-term. It makes the hiring manager wonder why the potential employee couldn't "keep it together" and just overlook the applicant altogether, or either just get the questions answered if he/she grants the applicant an actual interview.

Now, if it's for a real personal reason, like family, or even to give more attention to her son with down syndrome, no problem...but the "lame duck" argument does sound rather lame. It doesn't sound legitimate to me. IMO, I bet if she did say something along the lines of wanting to spend more time with her family, that'd probably get her loads of brownie points.

Anywho, when I first heard of her resignation, I figured it was for her to work on the upcoming Presidential Election, as I truly feel she will run for it.
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07-05-2009, 04:04 AM

Honestly I voted for Obama just to be sure she was not in power. Her as President really scares me.


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The only "evidence" I have is the fact that I've lived in her home town the majority of my life-- which is far more credible then ANYTHING the media has put out about her and her 'accomplishments'

Don't you find it a bit strange that she repeatedly claimed to have put an end to shady politicians, when all the people convicted have been released from jail due to a mistrial.

Watch her speeches, she mentions being a maverick -- a defender of truth and justice, putting an end to "politics as usual"...

Now she ducks out when Alaska needs her the most, doing exactly what she swore to defeat. That's why she quit, because she was selling out. She is what she set out to destroy.

Palin doesn't need any pity.
Interesting. So living in her town qualifies to say she was illegally holding evidence? I don't think you can say your more creditable then someone who doesn't live there doing there homework on an story.

Actually I don't. Seeing how the Government usually botches everything up. That said Sarah Palin wasn't the one conducting the trial was she?

Convicted Alaska Lawmakers Should Be Freed, U.S. Says | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

I'm certain that most politicians build themselves up also, that said she did go against the most of the established why Republicans did things. That is hardly new. THAT is why everyone is puzzled by this.

You can't make an judgement yet why she stepped down. Doing so only leads to speculation. Why do you continue to say she is corrupt WITHOUT offering evidence?

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Sarah Palin... I hope she doesn't run for president. That's just a waste of her time.

I'm surprised to see someone so gung-ho for her in the thread.

"who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?"
Let me ask you the same question solemnclockwork! What makes Sarah Palin so great to you that you think she deserves a ounce of our sympathy? To me Sarah Palin made woman look like they were incapable of running the White house. She made me and many other woman feel like a joke. I don't think she can handle a job like the White house and I believe she is a idiot. Her stepping down will put a huge dent in her "campaign" to becoming president. For that I am glad.

Did you see the vice presidential debate? If that doesn't prove how stupid she is then i don't know what will.
Really? How do you honestly expect me to take this as an logical argument when it is filled with hate? I'm sorry you feel unjustified because she has different values then you, but to call her an idiot crosses a line that I do think others will agree with me. I do feel that you should stand up for her AS an person and say what has happen is WRONG instead of gleefully support it.

So you feel no sympathy for her family being attacked also?

That said tell me why you feel she is "stupid" with evidence to support your claim.

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I know more than you think.
I don't trust her.
And I'm sorry, but this is a democracy where we CHOOSE to represent us.
So. Really, it IS our choice to decide who is worthy in politics.
And Palin isn't, IMO.
So you don't need to comment on me either.
Freedom of speech, freedom to disapprove. Free to disagree with you. You chose to comment, like I did. But really, please don't act like its a severely horrid thing to disapprove of politicians when there are plots to kill them instead all over.
I'm not that bad of a human being, so you can stop degrading me yourself if that is what you got on my case for.
Then tell me what you know.

Trusting her is not the issue. Nor did I deny your right to choose who represents you. Explain by what you mean (the bolded part), as far as am aware you really have to look hard to find plots to kill presidents I do mean VERY hard.

I'm not degrading you but chastising you for your treatment of Sarah.

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The comment about asking "who you are to judge who is worthy to be an politician" was put there for an reason think on it some more.

SSJup81,

How many people can you count that denied being vice president? Maybe she has gotten her priorities right, right now we do not know.

Why do you think that by going to different universities/colleges makes one inconsistent? Couldn't you say the same thing for those who possibly carry PH.Ds? Many have said this is an political killer move. She gave several reasons as to why she is doing this, thus leading one to believe that this decision is more personal then let on to believe. Actually I don't believe that if she gave whatever answer that she would be treated fairly to which she still hasn't.

Everyone is going to have to wait and see where this is heading.


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07-05-2009, 04:28 AM

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Interesting. So living in her town qualifies to say she was illegally holding evidence? I don't think you can say your more creditable then someone who doesn't live there doing there homework on an story.

Actually I don't. Seeing how the Government usually botches everything up. That said Sarah Palin wasn't the one conducting the trial was she?

Convicted Alaska Lawmakers Should Be Freed, U.S. Says | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

I'm certain that most politicians build themselves up also, that said she did go against the most of the established why Republicans did things. That is hardly new. THAT is why everyone is puzzled by this.

You can't make an judgement yet why she stepped down. Doing so only leads to speculation. Why do you continue to say she is corrupt WITHOUT offering evidence?



Really? How do you honestly expect me to take this as an logical argument when it is filled with hate? I'm sorry you feel unjustified because she has different values then you, but to call her an idiot crosses a line that I do think others will agree with me. I do feel that you should stand up for her AS an person and say what has happen is WRONG instead of gleefully support it.

So you feel no sympathy for her family being attacked also?

That said tell me why you feel she is "stupid" with evidence to support your claim.



Then tell me what you know.

Trusting her is not the issue. Nor did I deny your right to choose who represents you. Explain by what you mean (the bolded part), as far as am aware you really have to look hard to find plots to kill presidents I do mean VERY hard.

I'm not degrading you but chastising you for your treatment of Sarah.

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Would I be banned from the site if I typed in joy yet used a bad word for her? (bad joke)

YAY~!!
AND STAY AWAY!!! <333333

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The comment about asking "who you are to judge who is worthy to be an politician" was put there for an reason think on it some more.

SSJup81,

How many people can you count that denied being vice president? Maybe she has gotten her priorities right, right now we do not know.

Why do you think that by going to different universities/colleges makes one inconsistent? Couldn't you say the same thing for those who possibly carry PH.Ds? Many have said this is an political killer move. She gave several reasons as to why she is doing this, thus leading one to believe that this decision is more personal then let on to believe. Actually I don't believe that if she gave whatever answer that she would be treated fairly to which she still hasn't.

Everyone is going to have to wait and see where this is heading.
Why should I be chastised?

That question is STILL unneccessary. Think. I mean, we ALWAYS criticize/praise politicians on the most ridiculous and not so ridiculous things. We're allowed.

If I were to put all my former teach taught us during the campaign, I'd bore you. You probably would say "there is more to the story", but here's my thing;
They made a point. If the "corrupt" politicians she jailed are brought out and more is revealed...why does she suddenly quit?

And remember the whole "bridge to nowhere"? She was for it, then during the campaign tried to say she refused...:/
I don't need to be chastised, actually. You're not my parent, and I had the right to say such, as long as I'm not being threatening. I never said I want harm, I just don't like the woman. Trust me, I have a feeling you wouldn't say much the same if it was Hilary Clinton. (And those close to me know HOW I despise her too.)

I just don't like her, and other people responded saying other "inconsiderate" things, as well. I did admit already in the original post one was a bad joke, and I don't care if you care for her. I just don't. I think she was a mistake for the VP choice, and I'm still relieved she's going.


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Why should I be chastised?

That question is STILL unneccessary. Think. I mean, we ALWAYS criticize/praise politicians on the most ridiculous and not so ridiculous things. We're allowed.

If I were to put all my former teach taught us during the campaign, I'd bore you. You probably would say "there is more to the story", but here's my thing;
They made a point. If the "corrupt" politicians she jailed are brought out and more is revealed...why does she suddenly quit?

And remember the whole "bridge to nowhere"? She was for it, then during the campaign tried to say she refused...:/
I don't need to be chastised, actually. You're not my parent, and I had the right to say such, as long as I'm not being threatening. I never said I want harm, I just don't like the woman. Trust me, I have a feeling you wouldn't say much the same if it was Hilary Clinton. (And those close to me know HOW I despise her too.)

I just don't like her, and other people responded saying other "inconsiderate" things, as well. I did admit already in the original post one was a bad joke, and I don't care if you care for her. I just don't. I think she was a mistake for the VP choice, and I'm still relieved she's going.
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Really? How do you honestly expect me to take this as an logical argument when it is filled with hate? I'm sorry you feel unjustified because she has different values then you, but to call her an idiot crosses a line that I do think others will agree with me. I do feel that you should stand up for her AS an person and say what has happen is WRONG instead of gleefully support it.

So you feel no sympathy for her family being attacked also?

That said tell me why you feel she is "stupid" with evidence to support your claim.
Ok, so the reason im "unjustified" is not because she has different values unless you are calling stupid a value I said I was mad that she made woman look like a joke. My post was not made in hate for the woman it was in anger. I wont stand up for someone like her. You shouldn't force your believes on others you know. I asked you why you felt she deserved our sympathy and you didnt answer. You just seemed to focus on the simply fact i feel she is a idiot.

SARAH PALIN IS A IDIOT!

I feel no sympathy for her family or her because they are the ones who willingly put themselves out there to be attacked. She must have known what would happen. She knew people were going to talk and comment on the situation. She stepped down fully aware of the situation and it's consequences. She used her family to up her campaign. For a woman who would us her daughter and her son as symbols of what she stands for is sick. She pushed her family into the spotlight for her own selfish reasons.

Yes i feel Sarah Palin is not smart or as i like to refer to it a idiot. I will look up some Sarah Palin quotes for you.

"They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media." --Sarah Palin, getting First Amendment rights backwards while suggesting that criticism of her is unconstitutional, radio interview with WMAL-AM, Oct. 31, 2008

"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council



"Um uh" Does she ever have a clear answer? I never ever said me and her didn't have the same values. Thats you putting word in my mouth. She is a female version of George Bush. A idiot ready to make America a even bigger joke to people then George Bush did. My thought is maybe McCain thought it would be a good idea to get a woman as his running mate to get the woman vote. Im not the only one who thinks that she makes us woman look like a joke you know. I think you should open YOUR eyes to what we have to say too...



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I am so glad she resigned. She didn't scare me, but she did aggrivate the hell out of me with the way she talked.
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SJup81,

How many people can you count that denied being vice president? Maybe she has gotten her priorities right, right now we do not know.
I was speaking past-tense. IMO, her priorities weren't in order by even being a running mate. She's a parent with an INFANT who is a special needs child. How can she bond with the child, if she were to take on a job where she's constantly busy? As I mentioned, those first few years are vital for proper childhood development.
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Why do you think that by going to different universities/colleges makes one inconsistent?
Because she had to go to so many just for a Bachelor's. What was it, five? I can see maybe Community College and then finishing up the final two years at a four-year and then continuing education for a Masters, but if I'm not mistaken, and if I'm wrong, please correct me, this wasn't the case. She didn't finish all of the colleges she attended. Now if she had, then this would be completely different. It may come across that she may have trouble finishing what she starts.
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Couldn't you say the same thing for those who possibly carry PH.Ds?
No, because one usually attends a University for four years, and then continue on to obtain one's Masters/Doctrine at a Graduate school. If the person has multiple PH.Ds, then it also wouldn't be a problem, because the person would had to have finished up the school in question to even obtain it.
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Many have said this is an political killer move. She gave several reasons as to why she is doing this, thus leading one to believe that this decision is more personal then let on to believe. Actually I don't believe that if she gave whatever answer that she would be treated fairly to which she still hasn't.
I still feel if she were to say it's family related, she would be cut a whole lot of slack since, most from what I've seen, feel that family should come first anyway.
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Everyone is going to have to wait and see where this is heading.
Yeah, and until then, people are going to speculate, and with the reasons she gave, to me, it's still a "lame reason" and I feel there's a whole lot more to it than what she's saying.

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I feel no sympathy for her family or her because they are the ones who willingly put themselves out there to be attacked. She must have known what would happen. She knew people were going to talk and comment on the situation. She stepped down fully aware of the situation and it's consequences. She used her family to up her campaign. For a woman who would us her daughter and her son as symbols of what she stands for is sick. She pushed her family into the spotlight for her own selfish reasons.
I feel sympathy when it comes to her kids since the kids of politicians, imo, no matter what should ever be targeted or have pot-shots taken at them. They shouldn't be punished or ridiculed because of what their parent(s) does (do). As for those literally running, no, not really, since, as you said it, they're the ones "willingly putting themselves out there". Their pasts will be revealed to the public and all that, so that should definitely be expected.

As for Palin in general...I do admire the fact that she does seem to be a tough woman. For the most part, the main thing I disagreed with were her on were her values and some of her old-fashioned ways of thinking. I also felt that she came across as lacking knowledge when it came to international affairs. To me, it's like she was living inside of a bubble.
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Give examples on attacks on Obama being something else besides policy. I do not recall in the Main Stream Media doing anything other then falling at his feet.

We simply do not have the scope of what she is doing right now. Most Governors who are gong to run for president do not run for reelection. That said everyone who wants an career change or wants to do something else does not continue in what they are currently doing. We simply do not know everything right now.
Here is something else besides policy. The things these right wing newscasters were saying were ridiculous. They saddest part is they were legitimately pissed off. I couldn't help but laugh at them.

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]


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