Sarah Palin quits

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Barone1551

Here is something else besides policy. The things these right wing newscasters were saying were ridiculous. They saddest part is they were legitimately pissed off. I couldn't help but laugh at them.

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]

Adding on, if I recall correctly, even though it's not "policy", Hannity attacked Obama for the Samalia Pirate incident, even though the captain was returned safely.

[solemnclockwork]

Originally Posted by QueenNanami

Ok, so the reason im "unjustified" is not because she has different values unless you are calling stupid a value I said I was mad that she made woman look like a joke. My post was not made in hate for the woman it was in anger. I wont stand up for someone like her. You shouldn't force your believes on others you know. I asked you why you felt she deserved our sympathy and you didnt answer. You just seemed to focus on the simply fact i feel she is a idiot.

I didn't answer for the simple reason, your post is full of venom. To seriously say she makes woman look like an joke is foolish. Sorry that screams of hate also. To even go as far as to say you wouldn't stand up for her tells us you feelings on her; so as an woman you wouldn't stand up for her rights? Sorry not forcing my beliefs just calling out someone who is being hateful.

Originally Posted by QueenNanami

I feel no sympathy for her family or her because they are the ones who willingly put themselves out there to be attacked. She must have known what would happen. She knew people were going to talk and comment on the situation. She stepped down fully aware of the situation and it's consequences. She used her family to up her campaign. For a woman who would us her daughter and her son as symbols of what she stands for is sick. She pushed her family into the spotlight for her own selfish reasons.

Wrong. I'm not going to beat around a bush on this paragraph. So in What way does that make right the so called jokes put out by David Letterman? NO, I DO MEAN NO public person family deserves to be attacked. Way to try to spin it into her putting her family into the spotlight makes it right. So logically speaking from your position if for say Obama puts his daughters in the spotlight they deserve to be attacked? Have some discretion!

Oh give examples of so called putting up her family, I'm certain other politicians do also.

Originally Posted by QueenNanami

Yes i feel Sarah Palin is not smart or as i like to refer to it a idiot. I will look up some Sarah Palin quotes for you.

"They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media." --Sarah Palin, getting First Amendment rights backwards while suggesting that criticism of her is unconstitutional, radio interview with WMAL-AM, Oct. 31, 2008

"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council

Interesting, where did you get that last comment? The second part is weird. When in that quote does she say that criticism of her is unconstitutional, I do believe she questions the media role in campaign support when there supposed to be middle ground. It's no secret of the media supporting Obama, wither you like/dislike Obama.

Let's get the FULL scope of the things for the first comment you posted.

Sarah Palin bungled VP job description after Colorado third-grader's question : Rocky Truth Patrol : Rocky Mountain News

Palin's view of vice presidency critiqued - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

Ok the second comment took me forever to find a lot of information on. First and foremost Nick Carney has it in for her. Take one of the highlights of him saying she "made" it look like an "bordello", what do you think hes trying to say here? One to also add we only have him to take it for what he says, to which I'm not going to, I need more proof then his word. Hence way I actually cold not find this quote on anymore then blogs.

Sarah Palin's wasteful ways | Salon News

Does that not ring of sleaziness?
Interesting Biden made an similar comment.

Originally Posted by QueenNanami

"Um uh" Does she ever have a clear answer? I never ever said me and her did have the same values. Thats you putting word in my mouth. She is a female version of George Bush. A idiot ready to make America a even bigger joke to people then George Bush did. My thought is maybe McCain thought it would be a good idea to get a woman as his running mate to get the woman vote. Im not the only one who thinks that she makes us woman look like a joke you know. I think you should open YOUR eyes to what we have to say too...

here's the point, I clearly do not accept you saying that she makes women look like jokes, AND calling her an idiot. NO politician can really be called an idiot, really if that was the case they wouldn't be in office. Reason one being, that saying she is an joke is subjective AT best. At most, one could say she stands strong, and vigorous for what she believes in. The only reason I could possible think of you hating her is because she doesn't represent the standard template of an Feminist, she calls herself one AND says she doesn't believe in Abortion. Really George Bush was such an joke? I mean Africa did not call him an joke when he was the President who spent the most trying to prevent AIDS over there. ARGUABLY you could say George Bush did defend the country, and you can say that's what he CARED for. He wasn't the best and no means the worst president we had, but he did have an few strong suits.

Tell us your friends that agree with you.

the Kattie interview was horrible and everyone has bad days. I've addressed the Gibson so go and read up on that.
Hillary didn't answer a lot of questions during interviews, Obama has done the same thing, McCain also, and I couldn't forget Joe Biden. Is it new, no.

I think you should open YOUR eyes to what we have to say too

Translation; I want you to think our way. Oh I wouldn't be arguing with you right now if I did not look at your "points".

Kayci,

Because others do it, doesn't make it OK for you to tag along also. This is the point' there is a difference between criticism on someone and a personal attack, to which your comment was. Actually no, I don't dislike any politician I may completely disagree with them. there are some who I think go over an line and need to be reminded of that (they do serve the people). At the end of the day I would go out and play maybe pool with them, bowling, etc. (my sister husband is pretty liberal and we hang out all the time and you should here some of the arguments we have).

She doesn't run the court cases against those people does she? Then when the government messes things (it happens quite often) you cannot put the blame on her. Also to note they could be guilty if it was written on them, but when the government does something wrong in an trial they can be found "innocent" (mistrial).

Yes originally she was for it, but before the campaign she became against the bridge. Even Obama and Joe where for the bridge. Like them and her, you should know all politicians put there own spin on things they have/not done (oh and ut was her who KILLED the project).Of course I'm not your parent, but on this site I would say I'm your peer.

[QueenNanami]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

I didn't answer for the simple reason, your post is full of venom. To seriously say she makes woman look like an joke is foolish. Sorry that screams of hate also. To even go as far as to say you wouldn't stand up for her tells us you feelings on her; so as an woman you wouldn't stand up for her rights? Sorry not forcing my beliefs just calling out someone who is being hateful.

Wrong. I'm not going to beat around a bush on this paragraph. So in What way does that make right the so called jokes put out by David Letterman? NO, I DO MEAN NO public person family deserves to be attacked. Way to try to spin it into her putting her family into the spotlight makes it right. So logically speaking from your position if for say Obama puts his daughters in the spotlight they deserve to be attacked? Have some discretion!

Oh give examples of so called putting up her family, I'm certain other politicians do also.

Interesting, where did you get that last comment? The second part is weird. When in that quote does she say that criticism of her is unconstitutional, I do believe she questions the media role in campaign support when there supposed to be middle ground. It's no secret of the media supporting Obama, wither you like/dislike Obama.

Let's get the FULL scope of the things for the first comment you posted.

Sarah Palin bungled VP job description after Colorado third-grader's question : Rocky Truth Patrol : Rocky Mountain News

Palin's view of vice presidency critiqued - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

Ok the second comment took me forever to find a lot of information on. First and foremost Nick Carney has it in for her. Take one of the highlights of him saying she "made" it look like an "bordello", what do you think hes trying to say here? One to also add we only have him to take it for what he says, to which I'm not going to, I need more proof then his word. Hence way I actually cold not find this quote on anymore then blogs.

Sarah Palin's wasteful ways | Salon News

Does that not ring of sleaziness?
Interesting Biden made an similar comment.


here's the point, I clearly do not accept you saying that she makes women look like jokes, AND calling her an idiot. NO politician can really be called an idiot, really if that was the case they wouldn't be in office. Reason one being, that saying she is an joke is subjective AT best. At most, one could say she stands strong, and vigorous for what she believes in. The only reason I could possible think of you hating her is because she doesn't represent the standard template of an Feminist, she calls herself one AND says she doesn't believe in Abortion. Really George Bush was such an joke? I mean Africa did not call him an joke when he was the President who spent the most trying to prevent AIDS over there. ARGUABLY you could say George Bush did defend the country, and you can say that's what he CARED for. He wasn't the best and no means the worst president we had, but he did have an few strong suits.

Tell us your friends that agree with you.

the Kattie interview was horrible and everyone has bad days. I've addressed the Gibson so go and read up on that.
Hillary didn't answer a lot of questions during interviews, Obama has done the same thing, McCain also, and I couldn't forget Joe Biden. Is it new, no.

I think you should open YOUR eyes to what we have to say too

Translation; I want you to think our way. Oh I wouldn't be arguing with you right now if I did not look at your "points".

solemnclockwork, You have this weird way of wording and this even weirder way of shoving words into my mouth.

"I didn't answer for the simple reason, your post is full of venom. To seriously say she makes woman look like an joke is foolish."
Really? But you were able to answer so many other things and attack me. I could also say your post is full of venom and refuse to answer it. Why is it foolish to freely express the way i feel?

So in What way does that make right the so called jokes put out by David Letterman?

I dont watch David Letterman. To put it more clearly, Celebrities put them selves out there willingly. Dont you remember when they made fun of the Bush twins on Jay Leno? No one seemed to really get all mad at that. When you become at that level of Celebrity that is what you risk. You can say that Lindsay Lohan doenst deserve all the mean harmful jokes about her.

Dont get me wrong i dont Like Lindsay Lohan either.

To even go as far as to say you wouldn't stand up for her tells us you feelings on her; so as an woman you wouldn't stand up for her rights? Sorry not forcing my beliefs just calling out someone who is being hateful.

Come on... You think that just because me and her are female we should stand together as one? Then i believe you should stand together with Obama as one too. The day you say "OBAMA IS DOING A GREAT JOB! HE'S SUCH A GOOD PRESIDENT!!" Will be the day i say "SARAH PALIN IS THE SMARTEST PERSON I KNOW AND SHE'S SO GREAT! IM SO HAPPY SHE'S FEMALE!!" (without lying, you have to really mean it) Just because we are the same gender doesn't make me ignore my beliefs. Just as you wouldn't do for Obama. The way you talk about him you can tell you dislike him. Im not going to call you out on it and tell you something that isnt true. Im not going to shove words in your mouth.

The only reason I could possible think of you hating her is because she doesn't represent the standard template of an Feminist, she calls herself one AND says she doesn't believe in Abortion.

... You shove words in my mouth. I never said any of that and i KNOW i never said anything about abortion. You know what happens when you assume right? Pfft, I like her image. A woman who can handle herself. I think it's awesome how she goes hunting and shows she's not a dainty delicate girl. So you are assuming things. You assume i dont like her because she's not a barbie doll in a suit. What's your deal?

You got me! I believe in a woman's right to choose! Im not fully against abortion. I myself could never kill a child. When a egg is fertilized it's a baby and you would be killing a human if you aborted it. I guess you could say "murdering" a baby. With all that said i still believe it's up to the mother of the child what to do with her body. If she doesn't want a child or doesn't have the proper home or life style to bring one up. You shouldn't force her to.

Not to mention the over population of the world...

Really George Bush was such an joke? I mean Africa did not call him an joke when he was the President who spent the most trying to prevent AIDS over there.

Yeah and he also took more vacations then any other President in office. You name one and I'll name one. You bring up something so great he did and I'll bring up something so bad he did. It'll be like a game, it'll be fun.

ARGUABLY you could say George Bush did defend the country, and you can say that's what he CARED for. He wasn't the best and no means the worst president we had, but he did have an few strong suits.

Did i ever say that He was the worst president we ever had? Hold for a sec i'm going to check...

Nope, I said he made us look like a joke.

Interesting, where did you get that last comment? The second part is weird. When in that quote does she say that criticism of her is unconstitutional, I do believe she questions the media role in campaign support when there supposed to be middle ground. It's no secret of the media supporting Obama, wither you like/dislike Obama.

Are you sore because a lot of people supported Obama and never really gave McCain a chance? Now tell me, what so bad about Obama. Tell me what you dislike most about him.

Tell us your friends that agree with you.

You gotta be a little more clear with this one sweetie. Do you mean Tell me about the people who agree with me? Or do you want to really know about my rl friends?

the Kattie interview was horrible and everyone has bad days. I've addressed the Gibson so go and read up on that.
Hillary didn't answer a lot of questions during interviews, Obama has done the same thing, McCain also, and I couldn't forget Joe Biden. Is it new, no.

Yeah everyone has their days right? why is it that Sarah has more off days then most? That wasnt one interview, that was clips from more then one interview. I wonder if they have more.

I think you should open YOUR eyes to what we have to say too

Translation; I want you to think our way. Oh I wouldn't be arguing with you right now if I did not look at your "points".

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It's funny. You dont even know me. I never said you had to think "our way" or you had to agree with me. Im just saying you should be open to what we have to say instead of slamming a door in our face and fighting us with your every last breath. I dont like Sarah Palin, and I shoudlnt be forced to. I dont force you to love Obama.

[SaintKat]

Solemnclockwork, you started ATTACKING people for their negative views about Sarah Palin. You really should stop.

I am glad Palin has quit. I believe in freedom of choice under special circumstances: In other words if the child has deformities that would severely impact their quality of life or if they're a product of rape. Her staunch anti-abortion stance is the antithesis of this.

I also found her frighteningly stupid for a potential world leader. Mc Cain is an old man and she was his VP. That put her in the running to be the President. She wasn't able to address questions about world affairs. She could have been in charge of crucial decisions on a global scale and yet she didn't even know the names of places.

Scary, scary.

It's not the last we've seen of her though. I just hope Obama fulfils his promise as President, so this backwards and feral cougar can't get a look in edgewise.

[Tsuwabuki]

Good.

But then, before I started in teaching in Asia, I worked for the Democratic National Committee, so it isn't hard to see why I'd be thrilled by the development.

Now, let's just keep her away from the White House.

[burkhartdesu]

I can't help but think that there is something going on. Seeing how the prosecutors are under investigation, then surely Palin, who claimed to have led the charge to 'clean up Alaskan politics', would be connected intimately to the same corruption that the prosecutors were guilty of.

It's such a drastic move, surely there's some major motivation behind it.

[Barone1551]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

Wrong. I'm not going to beat around a bush on this paragraph. So in What way does that make right the so called jokes put out by David Letterman? NO, I DO MEAN NO public person family deserves to be attacked. Way to try to spin it into her putting her family into the spotlight makes it right. So logically speaking from your position if for say Obama puts his daughters in the spotlight they deserve to be attacked? Have some discretion!

Oh give examples of so called putting up her family, I'm certain other politicians do also.

Ok while Im not necessarily defending the people who went after her family, I will say she did kind of put her family out to the wolves. She used her family as a political tool, more so than any recent candidate. She would always dwell on the fact she was such a great person becuase she was just your everyday women with children, and a sixteen year old daughter with a child. Now while all this isn't grounds for people to attack her CHILDREN, she did put them in the spot light a lot and gave people the opportunity to attack them. When you start using your family as bargaining and political tools, you cant get mad when someone else says something about them, even if its negative.

And I want to address something else you said. You said "NO ONE deserves to be made fun of". (correct me if im wrong im not trying to put words in your mouth). But I don't think that statement should be true ever. We don't live Smurf village where everyone gets along and there are no problems. Yes sometimes people go to far in criticizing people but that's a part of free speech. People need to be made fun of. People need to be called out for their mistakes. If everyone just sat idly by and went along with everything everyone said, we would be in a whole mess of problems.

[Sinestra]

Though i am not a fan Palins by any means. Her decision shocked more than if she announced her candidacy for President. If she intent was to be a real contender in 2012 (assuming she gets the nomination) this was the worst decision she could have made. Staying in office and making the hard choices working on Alaska's failing budget and showing her supporters she has got the stuff to put up a fight for the presidency in 2012. This was a bad bad choice going fishing instead of paying attention to her duties was a bad choice her own aids said that she mentally has not been at her post since November, not mention her own Party members question her and not that fond of her makes her battle already uphill this move kept the hill but now shes carrying a bolder on her back while climbing it. If this is any sign of whats to come I wouldn't want her as president. Not to mention if she ran against Obama he would eat her alive. I cant help but to want to see a Hillary vs Palin face off could prove to interesting.

[solemnclockwork]

Note as of right now I not in the best of condition for spelling and grammar so forgive me if it is broken or badly misspelled.

One thing also comes to mind on this topic, did not Obama and his cabinet "quit" there jobs to take up another? One could say being the President is an higher calling and it is, but he had to give up most if not all his time to run for president with the chance to lose. One reason not to get worked up over this.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

Adding on, if I recall correctly, even though it's not "policy", Hannity attacked Obama for the Samalia Pirate incident, even though the captain was returned safely.

Give the quotes or video please.

[quote=Barone1551;742048]Here is something else besides policy. The things these right wing newscasters were saying were ridiculous. They saddest part is they were legitimately pissed off. I couldn't help but laugh at them.

Hannity is NOT an news caster he is an commentator there is an huge difference.

I was curious on this until I laughed when I saw it was the huffington post. You do know the blog is on record as being hateful and untruthful? that said they twisted what Hannity was doing (he usually always does this). Overall (and simplistic) it was just an joke, more also to make an point because Hannity does believe Obama is an socialist. Thus the pun. Hannity ALWAYS does this, you should learn to recognize when he is making light of something.

Oh media matters is also on the record for untruthfulness also.

Originally Posted by SSJup81

I was speaking past-tense. IMO, her priorities weren't in order by even being a running mate. She's a parent with an INFANT who is a special needs child. How can she bond with the child, if she were to take on a job where she's constantly busy? As I mentioned, those first few years are vital for proper childhood development.Because she had to go to so many just for a Bachelor's. What was it, five? I can see maybe Community College and then finishing up the final two years at a four-year and then continuing education for a Masters, but if I'm not mistaken, and if I'm wrong, please correct me, this wasn't the case. She didn't finish all of the colleges she attended. Now if she had, then this would be completely different. It may come across that she may have trouble finishing what she starts.No, because one usually attends a University for four years, and then continue on to obtain one's Masters/Doctrine at a Graduate school. If the person has multiple PH.Ds, then it also wouldn't be a problem, because the person would had to have finished up the school in question to even obtain it.I still feel if she were to say it's family related, she would be cut a whole lot of slack since, most from what I've seen, feel that family should come first anyway.Yeah, and until then, people are going to speculate, and with the reasons she gave, to me, it's still a "lame reason" and I feel there's a whole lot more to it than what she's saying.

Why are you going as far back as someone college years to attack them? There is nothing wrong with someone going to different schools AS long as they complete the degree now is there? Did Sarah Palin Get her Degree, Yes she did, so she DID finish what she started.

If you really want to go down this road you Also open up other politicians for other thing they may have done. I'll take Obama as an contrast he did drugs during his college days. Is it right to attack him for that NO, same principle applies here.

How can any mother do so if they have an job? Honestly I don't know to make of this because I read there is underline town that she would be criticized for any job by your standard. WE do not know her personal life so I don't think you can go and say she not proper caring for her child.

Would you being willing to say every women who has an job needs to quit in order to bound with the child?

If I had the money I would go to many colleges also. You do know you can transfers some credits? Maybe she wanted to learn at different places, why still does going to different colleges make that an negative?

You don't get the reason why I said PH.D. Here's the point; One goes through certain steps in order to gain one, correct? Now she took steps in order to gain her degree, correct? Was it normal, maybe not but in no chance is that an reasonable way to criticize someone on. You don't go to one school to get an PH.D either.

Do I also have to repeat you CAN transfer credits? Making the case that going to different colleges makes one an quitter highly redundant.

Since we agree on the last two comments I will not continue them.

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Though i am not a fan Palins by any means. Her decision shocked more than if she announced her candidacy for President. If she intent was to be a real contender in 2012 (assuming she gets the nomination) this was the worst decision she could have made. Staying in office and making the hard choices working on Alaska's failing budget and showing her supporters she has got the stuff to put up a fight for the presidency in 2012. This was a bad bad choice going fishing instead of paying attention to her duties was a bad choice her own aids said that she mentally has not been at her post since November, not mention her own Party members question her and not that fond of her makes her battle already uphill this move kept the hill but now shes carrying a bolder on her back while climbing it. If this is any sign of whats to come I wouldn't want her as president. Not to mention if she ran against Obama he would eat her alive. I cant help but to want to see a Hillary vs Palin face off could prove to interesting.

I interested in the aids, give evidence
you do know when she was announced for the VP pick McCain beat Obama in the poles? Point is I really doubt he could eat her alive if things don't start going in his favor economy wise. It's no secret that the Republican party is split hence the bickering.

Originally Posted by SaintKat

Solemnclockwork, you started ATTACKING people for their negative views about Sarah Palin. You really should stop.

I am glad Palin has quit. I believe in freedom of choice under special circumstances: In other words if the child has deformities that would severely impact their quality of life or if they're a product of rape. Her staunch anti-abortion stance is the antithesis of this.

I also found her frighteningly stupid for a potential world leader. Mc Cain is an old man and she was his VP. That put her in the running to be the President. She wasn't able to address questions about world affairs. She could have been in charge of crucial decisions on a global scale and yet she didn't even know the names of places.

Scary, scary.

It's not the last we've seen of her though. I just hope Obama fulfils his promise as President, so this backwards and feral cougar can't get a look in edgewise.

Seriously, your going to try to chastise me, when you go and make an comment that Sarah is backwards and feral? That screams of an certain word. In what way do you want me to "stop" when this is a forum?

I also don't believe I've attacked anyone on this board, care to highlight parts you call "attacking"?

Yet again, calling her "stupid" does absolutely nothing to make your point. You didn't give anything to support that accusation. You have to be at least 35 to run for president, secondly most presidents ARE old so little issue with John McCain age.

do I have to point out Joe Biden? He not the best person when it comes to speaking, nor the best when it comes to making accurate statements.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork

One thing also comes to mind on this topic, did not Obama and his cabinet "quit" there jobs to take up another? One could say being the President is an higher calling and it is, but he had to give up most if not all his time to run for president with the chance to lose. One reason not to get worked up over this.

As a senator, Obama ran for President (as did Clinton, Biden and McCain. Palin hadn't been governor long, but spent nearly a year running for VP) that is normal. But 6 months after losing the presidential election Palin decides to quit just over half-way through her gubernatorial duties...and this is after she spent almost half the time after she was elected running for VP.

So she is quitting now to run for president? That would be fine if she announced that like McCain, Obama, Biden, and Obama did when they stepped away from their duties.

But Palin didn't announce that.