Are ROMs legal?

[seiki]

They said you can back up it is your right but it is only one copy and you have to make it yourself and can not sell it or keep it if you sell the original.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

There is NO stealing. If I steal something, someone else will lose it. Reproduction is NOT stealing.

Applying 1959 thinking to 2009 realities. Another attempt to justify something illegal. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember Napster and the hit the recording industry took when people were "reproducing" mp3s by the millions.

Originally Posted by iPhantom

Also, ROMs are legal if you own the game, the whole Nintendo legal page is messed up.

"The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet. "

This is total bullshit they created because rom sites run with that excuse (download only if you own the ROM), and it is very legal. If I own the ROM, I own the game, not just the cartridge or CD or whatever, I don't buy the container, I buy the game. If it's damaged, I'm entitled to use aq backup I have made, or even download one, because I have the right to it.

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say here. So you are saying DL is the same as purchasing, as if you "have" it that means you "own" it?

I think we established earlier that the ROMs are not legal.

Originally Posted by iPhantom

They are pulling all these crap to us, stop us from doing a backup of our purchased game just to find a way to shut down these ROM sites. They damage their customers to save themselves. F****** hypocrites.

Go download ROMs and don't give a damn about them.

I am not telling people what to do and what not to do. The question came up "Are ROMs legal", and it didn't take long to realize they are not. You can try and justify it in your head, but don't pretend it isn't illegal.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

I wouldn't buy the game IRL in any circumstances, so I downloaded it. I'm not taking any profit at all, because if I didn't download it, I wouldn't buy it... so nothing is lost.

This.

This is the classic argument that people that steal games, manga, anime, music, movies, whatever use.

"I wouldn't have bought it in real life, so they didn't lose my money anyways."

That's like saying you have a right to squat in an unoccupied house because, hell, you weren't going to buy it anyway.

The major whole in this argument is that you gleaned the entertainment from the product without paying for it. If you hadn't have stolen that game, you would have been doing something else. If you hadn't been doing something illegal, you would have been doing something legal. That legal thing would be putting food on someone's table.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

Applying 1959 thinking to 2009 realities. Another attempt to justify something illegal. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember Napster and the hit the recording industry took when people were "reproducing" mp3s by the millions.

The 2009 reality is this: piracy is not stealing. All you legal defenders apply this to make it look dramatic, so many people instantly refuse piracy without even digging up what the RIAA or MPAA does, using illegal means to kill piracy. I suppose you don't know that yet.

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say here. So you are saying DL is the same as purchasing, as if you "have" it that means you "own" it?

I think we established earlier that the ROMs are not legal.

I explained it quite well in the quote, I buy the game, I have the right to play the game. If it damages, I don't have to buy another game.

I am not telling people what to do and what not to do. The question came up "Are ROMs legal", and it didn't take long to realize they are not. You can try and justify it in your head, but don't pretend it isn't illegal.

I never said it's legal to use roms. But Nintendo, RIAA and MPAA copyright is BS.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

This.

This is the classic argument that people that steal games, manga, anime, music, movies, whatever use.

"I wouldn't have bought it in real life, so they didn't lose my money anyways."

That's like saying you have a right to squat in an unoccupied house because, hell, you weren't going to buy it anyway.

The major whole in this argument is that you gleaned the entertainment from the product without paying for it. If you hadn't have stolen that game, you would have been doing something else. If you hadn't been doing something illegal, you would have been doing something legal. That legal thing would be putting food on someone's table.

THIS!!!!

"Defendants of legality" can't make a good comparison for god's sake. How is going to an unoccupied house the same as having a ROM in your computer? If I go in an unoccupied house, people who want to buy it would have problems... while the copy of ROM I have does not damage anyone. People can still buy the same ROM as much as they want.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

The 2009 reality is this: piracy is not stealing. All you legal defenders apply this to make it look dramatic, so many people instantly refuse piracy without even digging up what the RIAA or MPAA does, using illegal means to kill piracy. I suppose you don't know that yet.

I find your logic fascinating. And a little frightening.

Originally Posted by iPhantom

I explained it quite well in the quote, I buy the game, I have the right to play the game. If it damages, I don't have to buy another game.

If you buy the game you have the right to play the game, on the system it was intended. That means if I by Street Fighter for the PS3, I have not purchased the rights to play it on the PC or on a 360.

You have the right to make a back-up of a game. If a disc is damaged upon purchase you should take it back. If you break it, well, I am not sure why you think that gives you the rights to a new one for free. If I crash my car or rip my jeans I don't have a right to a new one for free.

Originally Posted by iPhantom

I never said it's legal to use roms. But Nintendo, RIAA and MPAA copyright is BS.

I wonder why you think protection of intellectual property rights is BS. What rights of YOURS are being infringed on, (assuming you are doing nothing illegal)?

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

THIS!!!!

"Defendants of legality" can't make a good comparison for god's sake. How is going to an unoccupied house the same as having a ROM in your computer? If I go in an unoccupied house, people who want to buy it would have problems... while the copy of ROM I have does not damage anyone. People can still buy the same ROM as much as they want.

I am not talking about a house someone wants to purchase. I am talking about an unoccupied home.

You call me a "defender of legality" like that is a bad thing.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

I am not talking about a house someone wants to purchase. I am talking about an unoccupied home.

You call me a "defender of legality" like that is a bad thing.

Oh, LOL, you mean an unoccupied house where nobody is an owner? Well, I can occupy it, what is wrong with that? I don't damage anyone.

Also, the so called 'defendants of legality' with their 'legal' companies that use 'legal' ways to kill piracy, are blind... it's a bad thing.

I'm quite happy The Pirate Party got some many votes to enter EU, a lot of people can see the truth.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

I find your logic fascinating. And a little frightening.

I find you blind.

[quote]If you buy the game you have the right to play the game, on the system it was intended. That means if I by Street Fighter for the PS3, I have not purchased the rights to play it on the PC or on a 360.

You have the right to make a back-up of a game. If a disc is damaged upon purchase you should take it back. If you break it, well, I am not sure why you think that gives you the rights to a new one for free. If I crash my car or rip my jeans I don't have a right to a new one for free.[quote]

Exactly, that's why I need to be provided with a backup of the copy. Haha, you just made my point more valid.

I wonder why you think protection of intellectual property rights is BS. What rights of YOURS are being infringed on, (assuming you are doing nothing illegal)?

I pirate, and a lot. And I buy only movies, programs that are worth it. As for music, I like the feeling when you have the original but as for listening for the first time, I always pirate. Hope these gives you an explanation how us pirates do stuff. Many people like you think pirates only pirate and never buy in their life... but you are just blind, very blind. I have repeated this word way too much now.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

Oh, LOL, you mean an unoccupied house where nobody is an owner? Well, I can occupy it, what is wrong with that? I don't damage anyone.

Also, the so called 'defendants of legality' with their 'legal' companies that use 'legal' ways to kill piracy, are blind... it's a bad thing.

I'm quite happy The Pirate Party got some many votes to enter EU, a lot of people can see the truth.

Seriously? Why do I have to hold your hand through this argument?

I own a house. I don't live in that house. No one lives in that house. I may have it on the market for sale or rent, but at the moment, no one lives in it. By your logic, because no one is LOSING anything by you living in it for free, that is your right, as you wouldn't pay for the house anyway. You aren't "stealing" anything, but just living in my house for free. If I say "No you can't squat here. If you want to live here you have to pay me." And you are saying "I am not going to pay you, because no one else is living here, anyway."

It's the same things as trying to justify the illegal copying and playing of video games for free, and it makes no sense. It's backwards logic.