Are ROMs legal?

[burkhartdesu]

I hate to incriminate myself...







So I won't.




(But emulate away, people. Emulate away )

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

I pirate, and a lot. And I buy only movies, programs that are worth it. As for music, I like the feeling when you have the original but as for listening for the first time, I always pirate. Hope these gives you an explanation how us pirates do stuff. Many people like you think pirates only pirate and never buy in their life... but you are just blind, very blind. I have repeated this word way too much now.

Yes, you have repeated it way too much. To the point it's starting to get insulting.

And I buy only movies, programs that are worth it.

This is the problem. Pirating devalues the movies and programs in the pirates minds. No data is as good or valuable in your head when you get it for free. People DL games, play for ten minutes and erase them saying "that sucked" because they have put no personal investment into it. Mentally you are a different person than an honest consumer or fan. DVDs and games seem expensive to you because in your mind they are worth almost nothing. That isn't true for me because I know how much work goes into making a movie or game. They cost money for a reason. They are expensive to make.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

This is the problem. Pirating devalues the movies and programs in the pirates minds. No data is as good or valuable in your head when you get it for free. People DL games, play for ten minutes and erase them saying "that sucked" because they have put no personal investment into it. Mentally you are a different person than an honest consumer or fan. DVDs and games seem expensive to you because in your mind they are worth almost nothing. That isn't true for me because I know how much work goes into making a movie or game. They cost money for a reason. They are expensive to make.

Partially incorrect. I don't buy a game which is not know or popular. Piracy helps trying it out. After that it gets way popular that other people hear of it and go buy it. This is how it works, not your way. If a game sucks, it's all wasted money, and there is no difference by playing something you pay or not... don't know where you saw this, but a game is enjoyable no matter what. Blindly following a company which overprices games does not make you honesty, it makes you unable to judge.

DVDs and games are expensive. Movies might not be much, but games certainly are. The difference between manufacturing and selling price is huge. They can give any price they want but people like you would still say 'they are expensive to make'.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

Partially incorrect. I don't buy a game which is not know or popular. Piracy helps trying it out. After that it gets way popular that other people hear of it and go buy it. This is how it works, not your way. If a game sucks, it's all wasted money, and there is no difference by playing something you pay or not... don't know where you saw this, but a game is enjoyable no matter what. Blindly following a company which overprices games does not make you honesty, it makes you unable to judge.

DVDs and games are expensive. Movies might not be much, but games certainly are. The difference between manufacturing and selling price is huge. They can give any price they want but people like you would still say 'they are expensive to make'.

These are just crocodile tears. This is 2009, so you know what, I try out my games too? I do. They are called "demos" and almost all games have them. I don't have to steal the game to "try it out". Don't believe warez and pirate sites. There is no 24 hour "rule". So yes, I agree, pirated games increases publicity....among other pirates. I can read reviews, play demos, watch online videos, try in store, discuss a game online and do all kinds of things to determine if I want to buy a game that aren't illegal. I don't buy that many games a year, so when I do, I make sure it is something that I am going to want to play. Easy to do these days, legally.

Don't confuse manufacturing and making a game. Manufactoring is inexpensive...probably less than a couple dollars a game. But making a game (like a movie) is very expensive. Players demand more, and costs go up. It's funny, because I think the Atari 2600 games cost 40 dollars when they came out in the late 70s and here in the late 2000s games don't cost much more than that. The prices of DVDs has actually gone down in the past 10 years.

[komitsuki]

I'll just put this here

Like my old university professor mentioned to my a year ago: "With the licenses like GPL (GNU Public License), the concept of copyright that we know will be mostly destroyed in the next 20-30 years."

I don't know what to say.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

These are just crocodile tears. This is 2009, so you know what, I try out my games too? I do. They are called "demos" and almost all games have them. I don't have to steal the game to "try it out". Don't believe warez and pirate sites. There is no 24 hour "rule". So yes, I agree, pirated games increases publicity....among other pirates. I can read reviews, play demos, watch online videos, try in store, discuss a game online and do all kinds of things to determine if I want to buy a game that aren't illegal. I don't buy that many games a year, so when I do, I make sure it is something that I am going to want to play. Easy to do these days, legally.

Don't confuse manufacturing and making a game. Manufactoring is inexpensive...probably less than a couple dollars a game. But making a game (like a movie) is very expensive. Players demand more, and costs go up. It's funny, because I think the Atari 2600 games cost 40 dollars when they came out in the late 70s and here in the late 2000s games don't cost much more than that. The prices of DVDs has actually gone down in the past 10 years.

-facepalm- How do you think Counter Strike, Half Life and all these popular games you see got so up in the list? Piracy. A lot of companies admit it. Valve does. Not all games provide demos, and the demos are SO limited. You enjoy crap out of it. Seriously, are you a real gamer? Or are you just pulling these out from nowhere just to prove an argument?

I'm not confusing manufacturing with the creators of a game. I've seen games price lifting up suddenly... because people would just buy it anyway (due to popularity). Games are ridiculously overpriced at 60$, 70$... your point to pay because someone made it is invalid, a honest person would judge the price based on the game, if it's worth or not.

[iPhantom]

The succesor of torrents will cause these 'legal' organizations to redefine their copyright again. It's how it works, we can't use the law... it will change according to their needs always.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

-facepalm- How do you think Counter Strike, Half Life and all these popular games you see got so up in the list? Piracy. A lot of companies admit it. Valve does. Not all games provide demos, and the demos are SO limited. You enjoy crap out of it. Seriously, are you a real gamer? Or are you just pulling these out from nowhere just to prove an argument?

I'm not confusing manufacturing with the creators of a game. I've seen games price lifting up suddenly... because people would just buy it anyway (due to popularity). Games are ridiculously overpriced at 60$, 70$... your point to pay because someone made it is invalid, a honest person would judge the price based on the game, if it's worth or not.

And Valve is fighting piracy with some interesting new techniques that involve looking at their products in new ways. And it is working. Admitting there are a lot of pirates is not the same as endorsing them. Valve is finding ways to fight you, and I hope other companies follow suit in successful ways.

I wouldn't call myself a "gamer" but I have consoles and I play them often. I DL demos at the PS3 store and 360 Marketplace and if I like the demo I'll buy the game. Like I said, I don't buy a lot of games, so when I do I make sure it's something I want. I am not sure what me playing games or not playing games has to do with it.

I am not saying you should pay "because someone made it". I am saying it costs money to make games, and therefore costs money to play them.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

The succesor of torrents will cause these 'legal' organizations to redefine their copyright again. It's how it works, we can't use the law... it will change according to their needs always.

So laws are not allowed to change to keep up with technology? Companies are not allowed to protect themselves from pirates?

I guess that logic makes sense if you are a pirate.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

And Valve is fighting piracy with some interesting new techniques that involve looking at their products in new ways. And it is working. Admitting there are a lot of pirates is not the same as endorsing them. Valve is finding ways to fight you, and I hope other companies follow suit in successful ways.

The TPB case was succesful, but how legal it was. The judge owned some copyright company himself. Epic, right? Truth is they can't win without using their strength. Legal organizations are a fud.[/quote]

I wouldn't call myself a "gamer" but I have consoles and I play them often. I DL demos at the PS3 store and 360 Marketplace and if I like the demo I'll buy the game. Like I said, I don't buy a lot of games, so when I do I make sure it's something I want. I am not sure what me playing games or not playing games has to do with it.

Where do you play GBA, or Nintendo DS demos?

I am not saying you should pay "because someone made it". I am saying it costs money to make games, and therefore costs money to play them.

But it costs way too much that it is supposed to cost. Quiz games cost the same as action games. How is that right? Let alone those 80$ games, like they have some super awesome thing in them, but the only awesome thing behind them is the giant company.