Are ROMs legal?

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

So laws are not allowed to change to keep up with technology? Companies are not allowed to protect themselves from pirates?

I guess that logic makes sense if you are a pirate.

Torrents existed, but they started putting laws only when it was used by pirates. Pirates found legal way to share stuff, companies come and change laws.

I mean, why do we have laws anyway, companies do whatever they want with them.

Also, better pirate that a blind 'legal' dude.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

The TPB case was succesful, but how legal it was. The judge owned some copyright company himself. Epic, right? Truth is they can't win without using their strength. Legal organizations are a fud.



Where do you play GBA, or Nintendo DS demos?



But it costs way too much that it is supposed to cost. Quiz games cost the same as action games. How is that right? Let alone those 80$ games, like they have some super awesome thing in them, but the only awesome thing behind them is the giant company.

I play DS demos by DLing them off the Wii...legally. I don't play GBA demos, as I don't play any GBA games anymore.

Now we went from 60, to 70 and now games are 80 dollars? I think you need to find a new game store.

[Quailboy]

Originally Posted by MMM

These are just crocodile tears. This is 2009, so you know what, I try out my games too? I do. They are called "demos" and almost all games have them. I don't have to steal the game to "try it out". Don't believe warez and pirate sites. There is no 24 hour "rule". So yes, I agree, pirated games increases publicity....among other pirates. I can read reviews, play demos, watch online videos, try in store, discuss a game online and do all kinds of things to determine if I want to buy a game that aren't illegal. I don't buy that many games a year, so when I do, I make sure it is something that I am going to want to play. Easy to do these days, legally.

Don't confuse manufacturing and making a game. Manufactoring is inexpensive...probably less than a couple dollars a game. But making a game (like a movie) is very expensive. Players demand more, and costs go up. It's funny, because I think the Atari 2600 games cost 40 dollars when they came out in the late 70s and here in the late 2000s games don't cost much more than that. The prices of DVDs has actually gone down in the past 10 years.

Yes, most games have demo's, but most of the time they dont give you the features you want or the taste of the game you need.
Services like gamefly hurt and help the industry, you can rent a game sure. But with that rented game you can just rip it with the stock DVD burner on your computer and make it for the same price you payed to rent it..double edged sword in many cases.

And for me, I choose not to buy many games because I know that the ones that maybe only I will like, I wont be playing as much as say, street fighter IV. Espicially older games, you cant even find some 360 games in stores or on eBay, the only places i really trust to buy games. So I have to resort to pirating them just so I can play a game that nobody else liked, the producers got screwed in making the game on way or another, if nobody buys a copy of Battle Fantsia then the producers aren't going to get money, if people weren't going to buy it anyways, the pirates are just putting them deeper in the hole. I can go on both sides in this argument and most likely will throughout the rest of this thread.

I have to agree with you on online videos though, video reviews, even ones from random people can be great.

But of course, cost always comes back into the matter. I play fighting games competitivly, that means I cant play at the top of my skill, with out one of these.

Thats a Hori Real Arcade Pro 3 arcade stick. Which runs me about $120 before modding it. Which cost's me $3 per button, $30 for a better joystick, the labor of adding the LED's into it, which are about a dollar a peice, and getting the custom art printed on it so when I go to Evo or any other big tourny, it dosen't get stolen or mistaken for someone elses, thats $10 for Kinko's printing. Though. I would much rather spend ALL that money, then spending maybe $40 for...well...THIS.

That thing probably broke after the first godamn H.SRK FADC into Ultra.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

I play DS demos by DLing them off the Wii...legally. I don't play GBA demos, as I don't play any GBA games anymore.

Now we went from 60, to 70 and now games are 80 dollars? I think you need to find a new game store.

What about those who don't have Wii's?Same goes for the PSP counterpart.

PS3 games have gone to 80$ btw.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

What about those who don't have Wii's?Same goes for the PSP counterpart.

PS3 games have gone to 80$ btw.

I was waiting for you to say this.

Where in the wild world of logic do you have the idea that you should have the "right" to play games for game systems you don't own?

If you don't have a Wii and want to play a Wii game, there is a simple answer.

[Quailboy]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

What about those who don't have Wii's?Same goes for the PSP counterpart.

PS3 games have gone to 80$ btw.

I'd like to know what PS3 game went for $80 retail, without any add-ons or anything.

[Quailboy]

Originally Posted by MMM

I was waiting for you to say this.

Where in the wild world of logic do you have the idea that you should have the "right" to play games on game systems you don't own?

If you don't have a Wii and want to play a Wii game, there is a simple answer.

No, I think he was getting at needed the Big Brother system in order to download some things.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by Quailboy

No, I think he was getting at needed the Big Brother system in order to download some things.

MMM just got a bit excited and didn't see well what I said.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by iPhantom

MMM just got a bit excited and didn't see well what I said.

If you don't have a Wii, then you don't get to play Wii games. If you want to play Wii games....then buy a Wii.

[iPhantom]

Originally Posted by MMM

If you don't have a Wii, then you don't get to play Wii games. If you want to play Wii games....then buy a Wii.

You: I play DS demos by DLing them off the Wii...legally.
Me: What about those who don't have Wii's?Same goes for the PSP counterpart.

You don't need a Wii to play DS games.